Is it time for revolution?

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therealUT said:
Do you honestly believe that you are only entitled to your possessions because the government says so? You can't actually believe this...
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No, that is why I oppose property taxes. Once I buy something I should never again have to pay for the privilege of ownership. Property rights should be the end all be all of a free society.
 
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hog88 said:
No, that is why I oppose property taxes. Once I buy something I should never again have to pay for the privilege of ownership. Property rights should be the end all be all of a free society.
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Okay, so then where do they come from? We've eliminated that they are just bestowed by the grace of the government.
 
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therealUT said:
Okay, so then where do they come from? We've eliminated that they are just bestowed by the grace of the government.
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I really don't know what we are auguring about now.

Our rights are bestowed upon us by the constitution and are supposed to be protected by the government.
 
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hog88 said:
I really don't know what we are auguring about now.

Our rights are bestowed upon us by the constitution and are supposed to be protected by the government.
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That's still at the whim of the government. For the record, the framers did not believe the Constitution granted these fundamental rights; they merely believed the Constitution protected such rights.
 
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therealUT said:
That's still at the whim of the government. For the record, the framers did not believe the Constitution granted these fundamental rights; they merely believed the Constitution protected such rights.
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Protected god given rights, it's a god given right we not be denied the ownership of land
 
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therealUT said:
That's still at the whim of the government. For the record, the framers did not believe the Constitution granted these fundamental rights; they merely believed the Constitution protected such rights.
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So you're asking where the rights originated or were created?
 
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Natural rights, for you atheists. The constitution and bill of rights were not written to give us rights, but only to protect our natural rights.
 
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OrangeWayOfLife said:
Natural rights, for you atheists. The constitution and bill of rights were not written to give us rights, but only to protect our natural rights.
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Correct, and Locke gets property rights without the magic of God. In fact, taught a class on Locke at 9am this morning.
 
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Obsessed said:
When did you start teaching?

I know you have done presentations in the past.
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This past fall. Finished my research at Leavenworth, now I'm adjuncting in the area and working on my dissertation. And, I pitched an idea for a higher level moral issues in warfare to be taught at KU next fall, which is now in the long process of being placed in the curriculum and resourced.
 
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therealUT said:
This past fall. Finished my research at Leavenworth, now I'm adjuncting in the area and working on my dissertation. And, I pitched an idea for a higher level moral issues in warfare to be taught at KU next fall, which is now in the long process of being placed in the curriculum and resourced.
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Well congrats man. Glad to hear things are going your way.

You still owe me a beer or two. :)
 
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Vol8188 said:
It worked out pretty well for about the first 150 years of our nation. Why wouldn't it work today?
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I am assuming you're serious. Well just a few things about your assumption. So the first 150 years? That would put the 150th year at 1926. The US population at that point was around 117 million. Now its like 320 million. Big difference. Some of the worst drugs didn't even exist back then.

So how would these drugs be sold? Legit businesses? If so, you're saying shops can be set up to sell meth, krokodil, bath salts, cocaine, heroin, crack, hash, LSD, Scolpolamine and others. That seems really smart.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
I am assuming you're serious. Well just a few things about your assumption. So the first 150 years? That would put the 150th year at 1926. The US population at that point was around 117 million. Now its like 320 million. Big difference. Some of the worst drugs didn't even exist back then.

So how would these drugs be sold? Legit businesses? If so, you're saying shops can be set up to sell meth, krokodil, bath salts, cocaine, heroin, crack, hash, LSD, Scolpolamine and others. That seems really smart.
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Sure, there is a difference between 117 million and 320 million, but I fail to see how that difference is relevant. Also, opium was highly consumed in the US and in Europe during that span...opium is a pretty ****ing terrible drug, even by today's drug standards.

I don't see a problem with shops selling meth, since meth was sold in the 1950s from legit shops and there weren't major problems with that practice.

This is a good read you may be interested in:
Methland: The Death and Life of an American Small Town: Nick Reding: 9781596916500: Amazon.com: Books
 
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