In defense of Mike Debord:

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#126
LWSVOL said:
it will be DeBord. Something really crazy would have to happen in the next 48 hours to alter that IMO
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1972 Grad said:
What in the wide, wide world of sports are you talking about???

Debord was off coord 2 times 1997-1999, and 2006-2007.
Record by year when Debord was o,c.
1997 12-0
1998 10-3
1999 10-2

2006 11-2
2007 9-4

Each of those years, Michigan finished 1st or 2nd or tied for 1st or 2nd in the Big 10.

You people need to look stuff up before you post. Those 5 years were the "worst stretch of UM football ever?"
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" forefront" you understand what that means right? His last year with Carr at UM started their ugliest stretch in history with a loss to appy state at home, did it not?
 
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#130
LWSVOL said:
it will be DeBord. Something really crazy would have to happen in the next 48 hours to alter that IMO
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Larry, is this more like Butch repaying a old debt (DeBord was Butch's old HC at CMU), than him honestly trying to hire the most qualified/best fit?

I have to believe it's more of the former than the later. Going to the fridge to grab the Pepto Bismol.

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Will hang up and listen. :)
 
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#131
This feels like the hiring of Derek Dooley all over again. People trying to convince us against our better judgement that it's a "solid" hire. "But he was Vince Dooley's son....He coached under Saban...coached in the NFL under Saban"

This is nothing short of a...

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SobeVol said:
And per his interview (HBO I think )he was having massive anxiety related issues leading him toward chemical dependency. Different thing to pull yourself out for health reasons- debord was effectively put in the cost closet.
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Tell me you don't believe that ****.
 
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#136
Volsfaninva917 said:
No offense and just for conversational purposes only, how is he a proven winner? His record at CMU was horrible and he was at the forefront of arguably the worst stretch of UM football ever.
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He did win a National Title his first year as OC and never finish worse than 2nd in the conference in his few years as OC at Michigan. Michigan was 32-5 in his first tenure as OC and 20-6 in his second run. Maybe you need to redefine worst stretch in UM football ever because 52-11 with a National Title is pretty damn impressive to me.
 
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I don't know why we are paying big bucks for CJ when they could just look on VN and saved millions!!!!!

Go CJ!!!

Go Vols!!!

I really believe you know what you are doing. Just look at the recruiting!!!
 
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#138
norrislakevol said:
Not sure what you are referring to. I do recall Georgia fans bashing Jancek and Martinez though. They are doing fine here.
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Exactly. Funny thing is most on here LOVED the Sunseri hire initially so if this is not popular then it is probably a good hire.
 
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1972 Grad said:
So, we compare 1997 scoring to 2014 scoring. I don't have stats, but I will about guarantee that scoring is higher now than in 1997. I do know that 4 Big 10 teams outscored Mich in ppg in 1997....OSU, Iowa, Purdue, and PSU.

Iowa 34.25
Purdue 33
Penn St 30.5
Ohio St 30.3

Maybe Michigan didn't feel the need to score 30, and didn't have to come from behind, so they played ball control. I think that you are grasping at straws while trying to put a negative spin on Debord.


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1) Would you think that it is reasonable that Chaney tried to score as many points as possible in 2012, knowing that when his offense sat down, that the other team would probably score? Do you think that he was aggressive calling plays?



2) If you agree that is a reasonable assumption, would the opposite not also be true? Since Michigan had a defense that some said gave up only 10 points per game, wouldn't the offensive coordinator be less likely to take chances , and call a wide open game? That could result in the 7 points fewer per game than the Big 10 leader Iowa.


By the way, there were 12 teams in the Big 10 in 1997, so Michigan scored more ppg than 7 of them, and less than 4.
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I think you're grasping at straws using a W/L record which DeBord wasn't solely responsible for to put a positive spin on him.

Some of you guys would rather do anything than actually admit some reservations on Jones decision making.

Back to Debord, the man hasn't called a game in 7+ years. My 2014 comment on ppg is that the game is evolving.

Has DeBord? Who knows? We haven't seen him in charge of an offense in years.

When he was the OC in two stints, he wasn't overly impressive and the Michigan fan base got fed up with him.

Fulmer chose the route of going with Clawson and overhauling the offense instead of hiring DeBord and Loefler(sp) in 2008.

The ultimate irony is that Fulmer tries switching to a spread offense instead and failed while Jones appears set to be going with a guy who has never ran a spread offense.

Remains to be seen where this ends up if he does choose DeBord.
 
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driscokid said:
Exactly. Funny thing is most on here LOVED the Sunseri hire initially so if this is not popular then it is probably a good hire.
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I don't remember this at all. I thought most rational people felt Dooley was a lame duck coach after the UK loss and that no sane person would come coach for him. Hiring a random LB coach with no DC experience that also wanted to change us from 4-3 to 3-4 was about the best he could do, which was about par for the course because the best Dooley could do was always terrible.

Flash foward to now and we have a team on the rise, just dropped what many of us to believe to be dead weight, have a good offensive core that should be a DREAM for an OC to coach, so we expect something that matches our now elevated expectations.
 
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#141
Volsfaninva917 said:
" forefront" you understand what that means right? His last year with Carr at UM started their ugliest stretch in history with a loss to appy state at home, did it not?
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1) Michigan finished 18th in the country that year at 9-4, and beat Florida and Urban Meyer in the Citrus Bowl. The ugly stretch happened after Carr and Debord left.

2) Forefront? Doesn't that have something to do with heavy petting?

3) Appy State loss? The Michigan offense scored 32 points. That should have been enough to win. Debord didn't play or coach defense.
 
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JonGrudensAgent said:
I think you're grasping at straws using a W/L record which DeBord wasn't solely responsible for to put a positive spin on him.

Some of you guys would rather do anything than actually admit some reservations on Jones decision making.

Back to Debord, the man hasn't called a game in 7+ years. My 2014 comment on ppg is that the game is evolving.

Has DeBord? Who knows? We haven't seen him in charge of an offense in years.

When he was the OC in two stints, he wasn't overly impressive and the Michigan fan base got fed up with him.

Fulmer chose the route of going with Clawson and overhauling the offense instead of hiring DeBord and Loefler(sp) in 2008.

The ultimate irony is that Fulmer tries switching to a spread offense instead and failed while Jones appears set to be going with a guy who has never ran a spread offense.

Remains to be seen where this ends up if he does choose DeBord.
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I don't know if Debord is the right guy or not. My theory is that the head coach should hire personnel, not the fans. The head coach is the person with his butt on the line, not me or you.
 
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1972 Grad said:
I don't know if Debord is the right guy or not. My theory is that the head coach should hire personnel, not the fans. The head coach is the person with his butt on the line, not me or you.
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No one is suggesting fans making the hire.

Simply discussing the merits and offering opinions on DeBord.

I certainly don't feel I have any influence over Jones or the UTAD.

I feel I am allowed to have an opinion that goes beyond "go Vols" on anything Butch Jones does however.
 
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JonGrudensAgent said:
In '97, their defense gave up less than 10 points a game.

In both of his tenures, the offense averaged more than 30 PPG once.

DeBord may be a great guy and a great mentor, what he has never done is put a high powered offense by today's standards on the field.

This year, there were 58 teams that had offenses that scored more than 30 ppg as a point of reference.
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Garbage stat though comparing offense today to offenses from that time. Michigan was 26th in PPG in '06 when he was OC, 64th in PPG in '07, I don't have stats readily available before that. Since we're throwing out garbage stats I'll throw one out, Michigan was in contention for a National Title in 97 and 06; both of which were year one with Debord as OC, one yielded a National Title.
 
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driscokid said:
Exactly. Funny thing is most on here LOVED the Sunseri hire initially so if this is not popular then it is probably a good hire.
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Well, by that logic, I guess this is a terrible hire, because I thought the idea of switching to a 3-4 was asinine and I think this hire is just as ridiculous.
 
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#149
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I think Debord is being brought in to be Butch's Cutcliffe. He'll take charge of the Offense (running it Butch's way) and mentor ZA (if he stays). I think he'll bring some 3rd and 4th down smashmouth plays while continuing with Butch's overall theme. After all, this is a POWER spread, though it lost some of the power last year. He'll also jump in on the OL which has been a glaring weakness for us. But, most of all, he'll bring discipline and toughness to the offense to match the defense for the next couple of years until ZA (or whoever replaces him) is ready to take over.
 
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