Chris Kyle: American hero or

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MG1968 said:
You know, I never said he didn't make a sniper kill with one, only that the M2 .50 cal is NOT a sniper rifle.
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And the M-16 isn't a machine gun, yet fires well within the defined cyclic rate for a machine gun. So what gives?

Don't get caught up in nomenclature.
 
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hog88 said:
Correct.

Anything over 1000 yards is badass, 2500 is just amazing.
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That's really the beauty of the M2, though.

The M2 has to be one of the best designed weapons of WW2. .50 was the perfect weapon for aerial/ground units with little modification needed (just barrel change for aerial) and capable of firing a very lethal round, with accuracy, over a long distance.

I'd be curious if there is another crew-served weapon that can do those things with such efficiency and lethality.

Being on a firing line with about 10 M2 all going off at once is something everyone should experience once in their lives. That will convert even the most ardent opponent to firearms.
 
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agent|orange said:
That's really the beauty of the M2, though.

The M2 has to be one of the best designed weapons of WW2. .50 was the perfect weapon for aerial/ground units with little modification needed (just barrel change for aerial) and capable of firing a very lethal round, with accuracy, over a long distance.

I'd be curious if there is another crew-served weapon that can do those things with such efficiency and lethality.

Being on a firing line with about 10 M2 all going off at once is something everyone should experience once in their lives. That will convert even the most ardent opponent to firearms.
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My National Guard unit once set the woods on fire in Resaca, GA with the tracer rounds from an M2.
 
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agent|orange said:
That's really the beauty of the M2, though.

The M2 has to be one of the best designed weapons of WW2. .50 was the perfect weapon for aerial/ground units with little modification needed (just barrel change for aerial) and capable of firing a very lethal round, with accuracy, over a long distance.

I'd be curious if there is another crew-served weapon that can do those things with such efficiency and lethality.

Being on a firing line with about 10 M2 all going off at once is something everyone should experience once in their lives. That will convert even the most ardent opponent to firearms.
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Never had much of an opportunity to play with an M2 much but yes it is an awesome weapon. Have had the pleasure of being behind the Barrett.
 
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YorkVol said:
No, used the M40, I believe. The NVA general was in a compound surrounded fields of grass with very little cover. There was a hard surface road that went around the fields and the security detail would patrol along it. He crossed the road then found a small depression and crawled for 2 days to get within 500m. The General came out of the compound to get in a vehicle the morning of the 3rd day (I think), Whitefeather took the shot and then started low crawling back towards the road. The NVA patrolled the road for two days, not realizing he was within the circle the entire time. By the time he got to the road, they had given up, thinking the sniper shot came from the treeline on the other side of the road and the sniper had escaped. That allowed him to cross back over, meet up with a friendly patrol and get back to base.
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I read the book some years ago. I could have sworn it was the -06 precision version of the Winchester M70
 
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YorkVol said:
Yeah, you might be right. I was assuming it was just the standard issue USMC sniper rifle at the time.
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Nothing about Hathcock was standard.

And GrandVol was right, Hathcock mostly used a modified M70. Though, there are pictures of him with an M40.
 
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jp1 said:
Couldnt have said it any better.
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Actually, someone did lol

Former Navy SEAL: Michael Moore Career 'a Really Good Confirmed Kill' - Breitbart

Courtley, however, reacted less favorable to Michael Moore’s alleged critique of the film.

“Pretty much the last thing I want to say about this individual because he’s already gotten too much airtime is it just feels like somebody who’s desperate to try to be relevant again because he’s staring at a dead career. As far as I’m concerned, his career is a really good confirmed kill.”
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therealUT said:
Really? GWB couldn't have at least negotiated? GWB couldn't have made sure that OBL was handed over to another nation? GWB couldn't even give the impression that the US was willing to accept the offer, provide the evidence publicly, and then, worst case scenario, call the Taliban's bluff?

Hell, it would have been better had the US let another country take and try OBL and then spend $100B to assassinate OBL, instead of spending 10 years, over a trillion dollars, and thousands of lives trying to track and kill him.

But, we don't negotiate with terrorists. Hooray us.
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How do you know for a fact there weren't negotiations made? Do you have the proper credentials to be privy to such information? Those rat bastards were never going to give up their poster boy? Hand him over so the great satan could soil his legacy? You're dreaming.
 
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What's ironic is the same people who want to slam Kyle for being a "murderer" are the same ones who celebrate abortion.
 
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kunsanvol said:
What's ironic is the same people who want to slam Kyle for being a "murderer" are the same ones who celebrate abortion.
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You know there are two sides to the coin you just flipped, yes? And, I presume you see no problem with the flip-side, correct?
 
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therealUT said:
You know there are two sides to the coin you just flipped, yes? And, I presume you see no problem with the flip-side, correct?
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Maybe I'm a little slow this morning, but what you posted makes no sense. The poster simply made a statement. He/she said nothing about his/her views on the matter. That was my take.
 
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