Chris Kyle: American hero or

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agent|orange said:
If the movie is about:

A flawed man that holds a famous/infamous title. An idealist that is worn down by the rigors and mental batterment that is war. In the end, his charity and devotion to his fellow servicemen/women was his own undoing.

I'd be 100% on board. One of the best series about war is one called "Our mothers, our fathers" that is a German-produced (so you can be sure it doesn't glorify war or conflict) that shows the horrors of homeland and Eastern Front atrocities without any pause.

The main character is a kid that starts out as a dreamer and poet but is corrupted by war and death to the point where the boy that you were introduced to on the eve of his enlistment is completely dead.

If it was like that, i.e. a true representation of what war is, I'd be on board. I haven't seen it and, like I said, I have no intent to see it until I can do so at my house for $1 or nothing.
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I'd wait for DVD, movie isn't theater money worthy.
 
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SamRebel35 said:
The color of their skin is relevant when it is an indication of their geographic location with respect to the United States. I get it, he didn't choose to invade the place, but the government that gave him a license to kill people on their own land did make that choice.
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A lot of the people trust into conflict in Iraq weren't Iraqi.

So that discredits the "brown people on their land" bit. A good number were "brown people from neighboring lands that had a religious purpose in Iraq and were just as much fighting Iraqis as they were the US forces that stood in their way".

But, whatever. Facts are facts. Also, you very much are taking out the very real ethnic struggle that defined Iraq by trying to politicize skin color. A very common strategy here in the US as well.
 
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hog88 said:
I'd wait for DVD, movie isn't theater money worthy.
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I've found little is.

I really want to see Interstellar in the theaters though. Seeing gravity in theaters I felt gave the movie a completely deeper level of immersion.

However, I have a beautiful but theater-inconvenient 5mo. The struggle is real.
 
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agent|orange said:
Those were also ancillary reasons I joined. I'm working on my Masters now, all thanks for the 5 years I gave.

Not to discredit the Air Force or Navy, but I joined the Marines for a reason.
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I joined the Army because the Marines wouldn't guarantee me the opportunity to fall out of airplanes plus they couldn't ship me out before the next semester started. Had to be gone before mom found out I dropped out of school.
 
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SamRebel35 said:
The color of their skin is relevant when it is an indication of their geographic location with respect to the United States. I get it, he didn't choose to invade the place, but the government that gave him a license to kill people on their own land did make that choice.
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yeah whatever.....I bet if he had shot soviets you wouldn't have referred to "white" people.
 
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SamRebel35 said:
But the explosions and gun fire won't sound good on most people's home setup.
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I got a pretty hefty raise at work and used my newfound comp hour reimburse (1.5x rate, 70 hours worth) to completely renovate my home theater.

I sit comfortable in my setup. Didn't even spend that much, got the entire thing for ~1,200 for about 3,000 worth of stuff. Velodyne sub, Infinity floor speakers and surround, Klipsch center and Onkyo receiver.

Bring on the splosions.
 
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agent|orange said:
I got a pretty hefty raise at work and used my newfound comp hour reimburse (1.5x rate, 70 hours worth) to completely renovate my home theater.

I sit comfortable in my setup. Didn't even spend that much, got the entire thing for ~1,200 for about 3,000 worth of stuff. Velodyne sub, Infinity floor speakers and surround, Klipsch center and Onkyo receiver.

Bring on the splosions.
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Sounds like you're set, then. Agreed on Gravity from your earlier post. That movie was incredible, but would've been completely "meh" if I watched at home not in 3d.
 
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hog88 said:
I joined the Army because the Marines wouldn't guarantee me the opportunity to fall out of airplanes plus they couldn't ship me out before the next semester started. Had to be gone before mom found out I dropped out of school.
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Yeah, they will only tenuously guarantee you an A-school berth.

I didn't even class up in the MOS I joined for. It's more of a "well give you 06XX or 03XX or 26XX. We can't guarantee the XX".

And good luck getting any C-School guarantees when you enlist. From what I've come to learn from talking to relatives/friends in other services... there is some level of negotiation with other services. The USMC owns your @ss without a doubt and will often give you the opposite of what you want.
 
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hog88 said:
I joined the Army because the Marines wouldn't guarantee me the opportunity to fall out of airplanes plus they couldn't ship me out before the next semester started. Had to be gone before mom found out I dropped out of school.
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You don't have to be in the military to fall out of airplanes.
 
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agent|orange said:
And a funny observation:

Some of the most rabid pro-military hero worship types are from people who have never served.

Let me be clear: I'm proud of my service and I signed up to defend the Constitution. I was uncomfortable out in town with people flocking to me to "thank me for my service" while they sit at home and vote for stuff that is based on biased party-lines and goes against the Constitution I swore to defend.

The people who joined for adulation are usually the people I wouldn't want to be around when it hits the fan.
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I have never served, but my family members have and here are my thoughts on the matter.

Should all enlisted people be put on a pedestal for doing so? Nope. Although most of them should in my opinion.

Should someone like Chris Kyle have his name dragged through the mud from clueless folks (im probably not far from this when it really gets down to it concerning real military things) with an agenda.. absolutely not.

When I see that I tend to lean toward the rabid pro military type because I usually will give them the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I shouldn't have used the word "brainwashed". I take it back. "Biased" works.
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Biased works, hell you me and 90% of the people on this board are biased in favor of UT. Why wouldn't a man who put the work into earning an SF tab be biased? I'd question his authenticity if he wasn't.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
yeah whatever.....I bet if he had shot soviets you wouldn't have referred to "white" people.
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Hey, there are plenty of Kirghiz, Uzbek, Kazakh, etc people in the former Soviet Union that a baiter would be able to make some flimsy claim of "institutionalized racism and war-mongering".
 
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agent|orange said:
Yeah, they will only tenuously guarantee you an A-school berth.

I didn't even class up in the MOS I joined for. It's more of a "well give you 06XX or 03XX or 26XX. We can't guarantee the XX".

And good luck getting any C-School guarantees when you enlist. From what I've come to learn from talking to relatives/friends in other services... there is some level of negotiation with other services. The USMC owns your @ss without a doubt and will often give you the opposite of what you want.
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I'm sure I was a recruiters dream. I walked in said I need to leave within the next 30 days but I want to be airborne, what do you got? Infantry, sure where do I sign?
 
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hog88 said:
Biased works, hell you me and 90% of the people on this board are biased in favor of UT. Why wouldn't a man who put the work into earning an SF tab be biased? I'd question his authenticity if he wasn't.
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Like, "they sign his paychecks" level of bias. "It's his religion" type bias.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
Is this what you're referring to? If so, it's no wonder the US didn't take the deal.....

Bush rejects Taliban offer to hand Bin Laden over | World news | The Guardian
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Really? GWB couldn't have at least negotiated? GWB couldn't have made sure that OBL was handed over to another nation? GWB couldn't even give the impression that the US was willing to accept the offer, provide the evidence publicly, and then, worst case scenario, call the Taliban's bluff?

Hell, it would have been better had the US let another country take and try OBL and then spend $100B to assassinate OBL, instead of spending 10 years, over a trillion dollars, and thousands of lives trying to track and kill him.

But, we don't negotiate with terrorists. Hooray us.
 
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