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Watchin the BC/MSU game on ESPN and keep noticing on the ticker the following

Georgia - 3rd BCS Bowl under Richt (since '01)
Florida - BCS bowl in '06
LSU - 3rd BCS Bowl since '03
USC - 6th straight BCS Bowl
Texas - 7 straight 10 win seasons
Oklahoma - 6th BCS Bowl in under Stoops
Ohio St - 2nd straight BCS Bowl
West Va - 2nd BCS Bowl in three yrs
VT - 2nd BCS Bowl in 4 yrs

Why can't we have these results and/or expactations??

All these schools regularly going to the big bowl games and here we are with an AD that is glad we're going back to the Outback. Boy would it be nice to have some "Filet Mignon" expectations and quit settling for "Rump Roast" results. Man, would it be nice to be in a BCS Bowl.

Maybe one day we'll up our expectations and get some guys in here that can win and get us to another BCS Bowl.
 
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I love it when people announce stuff everyone already knows. Its pretty apparent that UT isn't at the top level right now, the debate is on what needs to be done.
 
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ilovemediocrity said:
Watchin the BC/MSU game on ESPN and keep noticing on the ticker the following

Georgia - 3rd BCS Bowl under Richt (since '01)
Florida - BCS bowl in '06
LSU - 3rd BCS Bowl since '03
USC - 6th straight BCS Bowl
Texas - 7 straight 10 win seasons
Oklahoma - 6th BCS Bowl in under Stoops
Ohio St - 2nd straight BCS Bowl
West Va - 2nd BCS Bowl in three yrs
VT - 2nd BCS Bowl in 4 yrs

Why can't we have these results and/or expactations??

All these schools regularly going to the big bowl games and here we are with an AD that is glad we're going back to the Outback. Boy would it be nice to have some "Filet Mignon" expectations and quit settling for "Rump Roast" results. Man, would it be nice to be in a BCS Bowl.

Maybe one day we'll up our expectations and get some guys in here that can win and get us to another BCS Bowl.
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We win 9 games a year and we just won the SEC East title. What more do you want?

j/k
 
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tvols,

you apparently miss a lot of the threads on here. there are many arguing that this staff has done an adequate job.
 
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tvolsfan said:
I love it when new people com to tell us stuff we already know. Its pretty apparent that UT isn't at the top level right now, the debate is on what needs to be done.
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I wasn't trying to surprise everyone w/ info I was just noticing at all those schools and what they have been accomplishing and how often and then our AD is happy we made it to the Outback. Its frustrating for me as a fan. I can't stand losing this often..

I say clean house and get someone that can win in today's game. There is more parity than ever before true but some of the same schools keep winning, why shouldn't we expect the same? Michigan is one season removed from a BCS Bowl, they go 8-4 and there coach is gone. Our coach is 9 years removed from a BCS Bowl and our AD loves our coach who got us to the Outback for the 2nd straight year and just three years ago had one of the worst seasons in two decades. But we love our coach and can't wait to extend his contract and possibly give him even more un-deserved $$$.

Its hard being a UT fan right now. We should want more from our team. What USC, Tex, LSU are doing are pretty dang unrealistic type things, it'd be great to have that many BCS appearances but I'd settle for one in four years not one each decade++
 
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BigPapaVol said:
tvols,

you apparently miss a lot of the threads on here. there are many arguing that this staff has done an adequate job.
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I don't think there are a whole lot of people saying UT has had great success recently. I think it is more people saying the current staff can get the job done.
 
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2 of those teams listed have never won a NC and 1 hasn't had 1 since 1980. Those are your best examples of top teams?
 
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pj,

those not top teams have had far better results than UT over the past nine seasons. your point is well taken that this list doesn't comprise the best, but where does that leave us?
 
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BPV, great results with no crystal ball to show for it. I can't argue that we aren't there anymore but I take issue with putting WV and VT on the list as top teams (and UGA to an extent). The OP's screenname fits if those are his best teams.
 
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I would also like to point out that we're not the only "perennial power" that's fallen upon hard times - see Florida State and Notre Dame, both of whom are now in worse shape than UT.

College football has much more flow and flux than it did 30 or 50 years ago. Coaches are hired and fired quicker, programs move up and down more often. At different points this year, South Florida, Cal, Oregon and Boston College were the #2 teams in the country, and Kentucky was on the cusp of the Top 5. How did that end up for them?
 
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I was just going by the schools that have been getting to the BCS Bowls regular, I would trade our last seven seasons for any of the schools seasons. We're annuals for the Outback, Cotton & Peach those schools are semi-annual to the big bowls.

If you're getting to BCS Bowls regularly then you're having success and since we haven't been to one in an eternity (seems anyway) gets little frustrating. NC's are very hard to come by, BCS Bowls are hard to come by but if you're suppose to be a competitive program then you should be in a BCS game somewhat often.

Nine years and no BCS Bowl just isn't acceptable. Change is needed!
 
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utvolpj said:
and that's why the teams that win them are considered the top programs. Winning the big east and acc is not my idea of "best in the country".
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I'm not saying UT would be world-crushers, but I've always felt that UT would see more success if it was in a much weaker conference, when the entire conference only has one or 2 programs that are vying (not even constantly) for Nat'l Championships.


And then I realize that UT has lost 2 bowl games... by a large margin... to ACC opponents. (maryland and Clemson in 02 and 04 respectively)
 
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DowntownVol said:
I would also like to point out that we're not the only "perennial power" that's fallen upon hard times - see Florida State and Notre Dame, both of whom are now in worse shape than UT.

College football has much more flow and flux than it did 30 or 50 years ago. Coaches are hired and fired quicker, programs move up and down more often. At different points this year, South Florida, Cal, Oregon and Boston College were the #2 teams in the country, and Kentucky was on the cusp of the Top 5. How did that end up for them?
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Oklahoma hired a DC via Florida and hasn't looked back since.
 
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Doesnt this stuff kind of go in cycles? Take for instance Miami... they were a national powerhouse in the 80's... slipped off a little bit for the most part of the 90's and made a resurgence from 00-02 and are now back in the dolldrums. ND... same thing. Oklahoma... same thing... except they have carried through to the present. OSU, SoCal, Auburn, LSU... have ups and down as well. If this is our down... I'll take it any day of the week and twice on Tuesday. 9-10 wins a year really aint that bad guys. It would be nice to win the SEC every year but it's nearly impossible to carry that banner at the top for a prolonged period of time... we'll be back.
 
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utvolpj said:
amazing how this statement keeps getting posted :disappointed:
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It is a fair statement seeing we got blasted out of the water by Florida and Bama. Not to mention the Dawgs said they would've beat us if we hadn't played them so early while they sucked.
 
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hmanvolfan said:
It is a fair statement seeing we got blasted out of the water by Florida and Bama. Not to mention the Dawgs said they would've beat us if we hadn't played them so early while they sucked.
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Seems UGA has said alot of things since we beat them like a drum. It just adds fuel to the fire for next year... I hope they keep it up.

Fact is... they had their chance and blew it just like we had our chance against UF and Bammer and blew it. There are no excuses to be made.
 
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utvolpj said:
2 of those teams listed have never won a NC and 1 hasn't had 1 since 1980. Those are your best examples of top teams?
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By your, as usual, flawed logic the following teams are powerhouses since they have won a National Championship (AP poll):

Clemson
Minnesota( five by the way)
Syracuse
Colorado
BYU
Georgia Tech
Pitt
TCU
Army
Maryland
Great company we (UT) are keeping by having that Crystal Bowl.:clapping:
 
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rockydoc said:
By your, as usual, flawed logic the following teams are powerhouses since they have won a National Championship (AP poll):

Clemson
Minnesota( five by the way)
Syracuse
Colorado
BYU
Georgia Tech
Pitt
TCU
Army
Maryland
Great company we (UT) are keeping by having that Crystal Bowl.:clapping:
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Nice comparison. Especially since none of those also post pretty consistent nine and ten win seasons even if they aren't bringing more titles than hoped for in a program such as ours.
 
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CovVol said:
:lolabove:

I know... I thought we won it cause we won more SEC games than the other guys.
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Actually, we won the same amount as UGA, not more. Just the right one against them. We could have traded that win for the Bama loss and been at home instead of ATL. At seasons end, UGA would of thumped us, but at the same time, by seasons end we could have beat UF. Just SEC football is all.
 
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No offense to anyone on here, but you have to take all this with a grain of salt. I'm no Fulmer supporter, but it seems to me some (not all) of the Fulmer bashers are the same ones saying Majors got screwed. Coincidence? And before I get blasted, I said SOME.

The Fulmer supporters seem to be afraid of change, and I know they remember the bad ol days under Johnny (I sure do), but the fact is some of the complaints that were made against him are now being made against Fulmer. We are kind of going nowehere fast with the program it seems.

As usual, I guess everyone is right to a degree. Truth is is the middle, I guess. One last thing, everyone keeps saying we're just going through a cycle like all programs do... and that very well may be. My question is this: when do we start seeing the upswing?
 
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