'15 MD OT Pat Allen

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I know I'm a biased UT fan, but I really think it'd be in Pat Allen's best interest to go to Tennessee. He'd have an opportunity at a spot freshman year, and he also is more familiar with the coaches at UT. Either way the the kid needs to choose what is best for him, because in the end that is what matters most. If we aren't able to get a tackle in this class however we will have to hope Blair or Moseley can develop into at least a serviceable left tackle. Jones has the potential to start at right tackle as a freshman, but I don't see him at left tackle.
 
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LowKey said:
Dr sec cb pa to ut
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I agree that Vols would be the best choice for PA. While he has the talent to play right away, it would still be better for him to redshirt, although I'm sure he doesn't want to hear that.
 
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OGbabyaviVol said:
This is why it is a necessity. I hope they do not have to start at LT, but we have no depth at that particular position on our roster. That is why it is a necessity for the future.
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This^^^^...Vol fan's will be the first to admit the importance of a good Oline after seeing team #118 No doubt!
 
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What is the reason that Jack jones can't play left tackle as many keep stating on here? He is 6-5 300 according to stats I've seen. Chad Clifton was about the same size coming out of hs and he turned out to be one of the best lt in college and pros. I like the fact that Jack jones has a lil mean streak just like chad did. I hope we get Allen, but I don't think we will be as bad of a line as many are predicting on here.
 
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If we can get at least one immediate upgrade in this year's class, that will help a lot. We can't depend on Blair working out IMO. Obviously if he does prove to be good at LT and Jones can step in at RT, we could improve a ton from last year. We will have a lot of prospects to compete for the 3 interior slots, including the people that played out of position at tackle last year. Combine that with the improvement and strength that one year will bring and we might even get to average relative to our competition (SEC).

Jones has impressed, but still is no lock to be an immediate upgrade. Not that Allen or St. Louis are locks either, but I would feel better about our odds if we had several good prospects.
 
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TriedAndTrueVOL said:
Agreed. I just think it's easier to say 3 top 10 OL instead of 1 top 10 OG, 1 top 10 OT, and 1 top 10 C. Neither is incorrect IMO, one is just much easier to communicate.
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This is what obviously I meant in my original post. But in typical VN tradition, the main point of a post was completely derailed to argue semantics about what I thought was an obvious over-simplification. My main point was we have a bunch of comments complaining that our coaching staff is unable to recruit top linemen, when we have 2 very highly rated linemen in this class.
 
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roddo518 said:
What is the reason that Jack jones can't play left tackle as many keep stating on here? He is 6-5 300 according to stats I've seen. Chad Clifton was about the same size coming out of hs and he turned out to be one of the best lt in college and pros. I like the fact that Jack jones has a lil mean streak just like chad did. I hope we get Allen, but I don't think we will be as bad of a line as many are predicting on here.
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He doesn't have the requisite orangutan arms and when he squats, he doesn't resemble a condor...just not in the cards unfortunately. :sad:
 
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roddo518 said:
What is the reason that Jack jones can't play left tackle as many keep stating on here? He is 6-5 300 according to stats I've seen. Chad Clifton was about the same size coming out of hs and he turned out to be one of the best lt in college and pros. I like the fact that Jack jones has a lil mean streak just like chad did. I hope we get Allen, but I don't think we will be as bad of a line as many are predicting on here.
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IMHO, even if UT is as bad this fall as some seem to believe, Allen is unlikely to make it a whole lot better.

Like you apparently, I like Jones. Based just on the limited public clips and info, I like Jones better than Allen. The "ideal" LT is a very unique athlete. They need quick feet, a low center of gravity, and long arms. MOST teams do not have an "ideal" LT. They settle for an effective LT. IMO, Jones can be that guy.... I think he's closer physically than Kerbyson.
 
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hillsborovol said:
This is what obviously I meant in my original post. But in typical VN tradition, the main point of a post was completely derailed to argue semantics about what I thought was an obvious over-simplification. My main point was we have a bunch of comments complaining that our coaching staff is unable to recruit top linemen, when we have 2 very highly rated linemen in this class.
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Or you could just state facts accurately. If you want to put it into one short phrase, you can just say "2 top 25 OL". But that doesn't sound nearly as impressive, does it? That's because it isn't.

We are definitely having problems recruiting OT. We have a glaring hole and can't get a top prospect to fill it. No top prospect means probably no immediate upgrade of talent, which probably means that we won't see great improvement next year unless Blair turns it around. That's a big deal to us since we think the roster is otherwise at a point to where we can compete for the SEC East.

That doesn't mean that the staff has done a poor job overall, but to say that they're doing well in that department is, so far, just not true.
 
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sjt18 said:
IMHO, even if UT is as bad this fall as some seem to believe, Allen is unlikely to make it a whole lot better.

Like you apparently, I like Jones. Based just on the limited public clips and info, I like Jones better than Allen. The "ideal" LT is a very unique athlete. They need quick feet, a low center of gravity, and long arms. MOST teams do not have an "ideal" LT. They settle for an effective LT. IMO, Jones can be that guy.... I think he's closer physically than Kerbyson.
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Blair will be adequate, and even though it was probably sandbagging, everyone will herald Mahoney as a miracle worker for turning him from worse than Coleman to good LT in just one year, even though he's been better than Coleman all along. We need a HS LT to be ready to replace Blair though, and we need to hope beyond hope Blair stays healthy because we haven't recruited anyone else to play there.
 
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Both Coleman (center) and Kerbyson (guard) are playing out of position due to need.

Blair needed a RS yr., no sand bag. imo

Allen can play LT though he too would benefit from a RS imo
 
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zero-sum said:
Both Coleman (center) and Kerbyson (guard) are playing out of position due to need.

Blair needed a RS yr., no sand bag. imo

Allen can play LT though he too would benefit from a RS imo
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I'm not saying he didn't need a RS year, but he was better than Coleman last year, unless he had a stroke after his final JuCo game. And he was on campus for 9 months before the first game, so if he was still out of shape, our conditioning program needs work. I'm not saying Butch was wrong to do it, just saying he didn't have to play coleman as a freshman, he chose to in order to get two better years out of Blair and to use him when the team was better poised to compete.
 
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jave36 said:
I'm not saying he didn't need a RS year, but he was better than Coleman last year, unless he had a stroke after his final JuCo game. And he was on campus for 9 months before the first game, so if he was still out of shape, our conditioning program needs work. I'm not saying Butch was wrong to do it, just saying he didn't have to play coleman as a freshman, he chose to in order to get two better years out of Blair and to use him when the team was better poised to compete.
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That theory is just wishful thinking. You don't redshirt players if they are your best option. It doesn't happen. Anywhere. At all. Ever.
 
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jave36 said:
I'm not saying he didn't need a RS year, but he was better than Coleman last year, unless he had a stroke after his final JuCo game. And he was on campus for 9 months before the first game, so if he was still out of shape, our conditioning program needs work. I'm not saying Butch was wrong to do it, just saying he didn't have to play coleman as a freshman, he chose to in order to get two better years out of Blair and to use him when the team was better poised to compete.
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I agree with you Jave. Been saying it all year.
 
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kmkemp11 said:
That theory is just wishful thinking. You don't redshirt players if they are your best option. It doesn't happen. Anywhere. At all. Ever.
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Was it not happening with Dobbs before Worley got hurt? I tend to think that it was. I'm not sure he would have gotten the nod over Worley to start at the beginning of the year but he surely was better than Peterman.
 
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jave36 said:
I'm not saying he didn't need a RS year, but he was better than Coleman last year, unless he had a stroke after his final JuCo game. And he was on campus for 9 months before the first game, so if he was still out of shape, our conditioning program needs work. I'm not saying Butch was wrong to do it, just saying he didn't have to play coleman as a freshman, he chose to in order to get two better years out of Blair and to use him when the team was better poised to compete.
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Any coach worth their salt will field the best "available" talent.
 
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jave36 said:
Dobbs and Berry are pretty good examples of that not happening.

Just look at Blairs JuCo film. Infinitely better in every way at tackle than Coleman.
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Blair wasn't strong enough physically to play in the SEC. I'd rather have him for two solid years instead of basically wasting one. Coleman getting the experience will help him in the long run IMO. I'm hoping our OL surprises some people. They honestly can't go anywhere but up.

I do agree though that Coleman should have never been playing OT this year. Blair just wasn't the answer...
 
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