'15 MD OT Pat Allen

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People are to hard on Mahoney. It's hard to grade the guy based off the laughable talent he had to work with. 2015 is the first year that you can actually hold him accountable for our line play and development.

I remember everyone hating on Jancek last year when he was playing with sub par talent as well. Add a few playmakers and SEC caliber talent and we saw drastic improvement.

I'm not saying Mahoney is a great coach, hell I don't know yet, but let's not label someone a bad coach or weak link until he has a level playing field.
 
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govols2008 said:
People are to hard on Mahoney. It's hard to grade the guy based off the laughable talent he had to work with. 2015 is the first year that you can actually hold him accountable for our line play and development.

I remember everyone hating on Jancek last year when he was playing with sub par talent as well. Add a few playmakers and SEC caliber talent and we saw drastic improvement.

I'm not saying Mahoney is a great coach, hell I don't know yet, but let's not label someone a bad coach or weak link until he has a level playing field.
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This^...when was the last Fahr Jancek thread?
 
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Bloomgren was the OL coach and running game coordinator before he became the OC ( I think in '13 ).
 
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govols2008 said:
People are to hard on Mahoney. It's hard to grade the guy based off the laughable talent he had to work with. 2015 is the first year that you can actually hold him accountable for our line play and development.

I remember everyone hating on Jancek last year when he was playing with sub par talent as well. Add a few playmakers and SEC caliber talent and we saw drastic improvement.

I'm not saying Mahoney is a great coach, hell I don't know yet, but let's not label someone a bad coach or weak link until he has a level playing field.
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Good post, for the most part I agree with you. The only thing that concerns me is that it appears he is the weakest recruiter on our staff by a pretty good margin and thus hasn't been doing too much to improve the quality of his players. I'm willing to give him at least one more season and recruiting class before I make up my mind on him.
 
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I don't understand why everyone thinks Richt is a failure. Not being a top 10 coach isn't a failure. Winning 9+ games every year isn't a failure. He is what he is, a very good coach that might get a title if he happens across a couple elite prospects and the cards fall right. Which is better than I can say for almost all D1 coaches. Georgia isn't just an avalanche of college football tradition... odds are they will have to take a downgrade if they ditch him.
 
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govols2008 said:
People are to hard on Mahoney. It's hard to grade the guy based off the laughable talent he had to work with. 2015 is the first year that you can actually hold him accountable for our line play and development.

I remember everyone hating on Jancek last year when he was playing with sub par talent as well. Add a few playmakers and SEC caliber talent and we saw drastic improvement.

I'm not saying Mahoney is a great coach, hell I don't know yet, but let's not label someone a bad coach or weak link until he has a level playing field.
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Completely agree. Jancek and a lot of the defensive staff got criticism last year. I find it funny that people want to dismiss the Iowa game because our guys performed well in that game, I'm pretty sure the clowns on this board would've been lining up to criticize Mahoney if the opposite was the case.
 
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kmkemp11 said:
I don't understand why everyone thinks Richt is a failure. Not being a top 10 coach isn't a failure. Winning 9+ games every year isn't a failure. He is what he is, a very good coach that might get a title if he happens across a couple elite prospects and the cards fall right. Which is better than I can say for almost all D1 coaches. Georgia isn't just an avalanche of college football tradition... odds are they will have to take a downgrade if they ditch him.
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The recruiting class he has coming in this year is nice. If he is going to win a championship it will come in the next 3-4 years or never.
 
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As many know, Rivals250 OL Pat Allen decommitted from Georgia last week and was set to flip to Tennessee on Sunday at the Semper Fi All-American Game. Allen put his decision on hold to wait to see who Georgia names as their new offensive line coach. That will be the main factor in determining whether he will flip to Tennessee or go back to Georgia.

In the mean time two schools are trying to get in the race. South Carolina offered last week and are trying to convince Allen to take an unofficial visit (Allen has already used all of his official visits). Notre Dame has shown interest as well and they are believed to have offered as long as Allen's transcript mets their standards.

As of now, Allen has not planned any unofficial visits and doesn't have a timetable for a decision.

IMO only Tennessee and Georgia have a real shot with Allen. I would not be surprised to see Allen recommit to Georgia depending on who the Dawgs hire. If Allen and the new UGA coach don't mesh, he will likely pick the Vols.
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The fact that he's waiting on the hire is really bad for us IMO. I mean really, how many OL coaches do you even know their name, much less know their name and think they're bad? Now consider a high schooler and how many he would know. Whoever they hire, they will swing it as a good hire and I doubt Allen will have an opinion to the contrary. Not good.
 
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kmkemp11 said:
The fact that he's waiting on the hire is really bad for us IMO. I mean really, how many OL coaches do you even know their name, much less know their name and think they're bad? Now consider a high schooler and how many he would know. Whoever they hire, they will swing it as a good hire and I doubt Allen will have an opinion to the contrary. Not good.
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A month ago we didn't have him...he was solidly committed to Georgia...this is better...so I vote good.
 
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kmkemp11 said:
The fact that he's waiting on the hire is really bad for us IMO. I mean really, how many OL coaches do you even know their name, much less know their name and think they're bad? Now consider a high schooler and how many he would know. Whoever they hire, they will swing it as a good hire and I doubt Allen will have an opinion to the contrary. Not good.
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You may be right for the most part but when Phil Fulmer was our line coach and even as HC and OC....OL recruits lined up to play for him....(see scene from Michael Oher movie which was accurate BTW)
 
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kmkemp11 said:
I don't understand why everyone thinks Richt is a failure. Not being a top 10 coach isn't a failure. Winning 9+ games every year isn't a failure. He is what he is, a very good coach that might get a title if he happens across a couple elite prospects and the cards fall right. Which is better than I can say for almost all D1 coaches. Georgia isn't just an avalanche of college football tradition... odds are they will have to take a downgrade if they ditch him.
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Same reason why people think Peyton has underachieved- can't win the big one. I don't consider him a failure. He is a very good coach, who has had trouble getting to the top. Don't fool yourself about the talent around that school though. Immense talent within 100 miles of that place. He had a chance to win it all, and he screwed it up when he decided to rotate Shockley in for David Greene one year. Shockley throws a pick 6 against UF, they lose by 7, and Georgia fails to play in the title game with one loss.
 
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tennrich1 said:
You may be right for the most part but when Phil Fulmer was our line coach and even as HC and OC....OL recruits lined up to play for him....(see scene from Michael Oher movie which was accurate BTW)
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Whether it's fair or not, I'm sure opposing teams are saying, "look at Sanders and Blair, two highly rated and sought after OL that UT has squandered. You want to be the next?"

That's the only reason I can think of for Why LTs aren't lining up for a wide open 2 deep.
 
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govols2008 said:
People are to hard on Mahoney. It's hard to grade the guy based off the laughable talent he had to work with. 2015 is the first year that you can actually hold him accountable for our line play and development.
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He had "laughable talent" in '13? And in context, he had as much to work with in '14 as Dooley did in his first year or Kiffin did in his. Kiffin started two way undersized walk ons and an undersized RS Fr with no experience. Dooley's first OL finished the season with 3 Fr starters on the OL.

It may "kick in" next fall but OL performance so far has been lacking and rate of improvement has been behind pretty much every other position group.

He isn't "accountable" for taking what he had and getting performance on par with Bama. But he didn't have the worst talent in the SEC. Having the worst OL in the SEC is a subpar performance. That doesn't mean he should be fired or he's doomed to fail... just that he hasn't proven himself yet.

I remember everyone hating on Jancek last year when he was playing with sub par talent as well. Add a few playmakers and SEC caliber talent and we saw drastic improvement.
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Drastic? Good. Not drastic. Total D vs the SEC went from 9th to 8th. Scoring D vs the SEC went from 10th to 9th.

The results were better. From an "eyeball" and confidence POV were better. But Jancek still hasn't "proven" that he's a championship level coach in the SEC. We all hope he is... but he hasn't proven that yet.

I'm not saying Mahoney is a great coach, hell I don't know yet, but let's not label someone a bad coach or weak link until he has a level playing field.
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I wouldn't label him a "bad coach" yet either. But the results so far haven't been "good". There is some judgment on each person's part that determines when they've seen enough. For me, he doesn't have to produce the best OL in the SEC in '15... but considering the drop in '13 and the terrible product in '14... it needs to improve significantly.


If someone has labeled him a "bad coach" or a failure then I'd join you in begging one more year of patience to see if he can turn it all around.
 
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jave36 said:
Whether it's fair or not, I'm sure opposing teams are saying, "look at Sanders and Blair, two highly rated and sought after OL that UT has squandered. You want to be the next?"

That's the only reason I can think of for Why LTs aren't lining up for a wide open 2 deep.
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This, Mahoney had better show some development this coming year or this will be the standard recruiting pitch. It happened with Stephens when he was here with Fulmer.
 
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