The Official Libertarian/Anarcho-Capitalist Thread

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hog88 said:
Not even comparable and you know it.
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Not comparable to what?

You say there is no recourse. None. I am showing you there is obviously recourse and that you need to change your argument to something credible. Like, "there is recourse, but not enough." When you say there is no recourse when there clearly is recourse, you leave no room for discussion. Either you want to discuss it or you want to feel like you're right. If it's the former, please refine your argument. If it's the latter, please reassert what you said, leave, and never come back.
 
#727
#727
n_huffhines said:
Not comparable to what?

You say there is no recourse. None. I am showing you there is obviously recourse and that you need to change your argument to something credible. Like, "there is recourse, but not enough." When you say there is no recourse when there clearly is recourse, you leave no room for discussion. Either you want to discuss it or you want to feel like you're right. If it's the former, please refine your argument. If it's the latter, please reassert what you said, leave, and never come back.
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Exchanging a TV at WalMart is in now way comparable to what protection agencies would be under AnCap.

Under AnCap protection agencies would follow human nature and that is to take control. Granted one might not take the entire land mass of the US but just like feudalism they would take control of areas and within those areas they would have complete control of the residents.

Think of the mob, one of their biggest revenue sources is "protection". What are they protecting you from? Them! Pay up or they will run you out or worse.
 
#729
#729
hog88 said:
Exchanging a TV at WalMart is in now way comparable to what protection agencies would be under AnCap.

Under AnCap protection agencies would follow human nature and that is to take control. Granted one might not take the entire land mass of the US but just like feudalism they would take control of areas and within those areas they would have complete control of the residents.

Think of the mob, one of their biggest revenue sources is "protection". What are they protecting you from? Them! Pay up or they will run you out or worse.
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If Knoxville residents are protected by 1000 different protection agencies, how does 1 protection agency take over?
 
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#731
n_huffhines said:
That looks like an argument against government, to me.
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Speed read much?

Storm Detachment or Assault Division, or Brownshirts) functioned as the original paramilitary wing of the Nazi Party. It played a key role in Adolf Hitler's rise to power in the 1920s and 1930s. Their main assignments were providing protection for Nazi rallies and assemblies, disrupting the meetings of the opposing parties, fighting against the paramilitary units of the opposing parties (especially the Rotfrontkämpferbund) and intimidating Slavic and Romani citizens, unionists and Jews (e.g. the Nazi boycott of Jewish businesses).
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#732
n_huffhines said:
If Knoxville residents are protected by 1000 different protection agencies, how does 1 protection agency take over?
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There wont be 1000. Within a couple years there would be 1. It takes a tremendous amount of capitol to arm, equip and train.
 
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hog88 said:
There wont be 1000. Within a couple years there would be 1. It takes a tremendous amount of capitol to arm, equip and train.
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I've never heard of a market with 1000 competitors ever becoming a market with a single supplier, let alone in a couple of years?

I'm the one in fantasy video game land?
 
#736
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n_huffhines said:
I've never heard of a market with 1000 competitors ever becoming a market with a single supplier, let alone in a couple of years?

I'm the one in fantasy video game land?
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Yes.

You're talking about an environment where money is absolute power. Easy to whittle away competition when anything goes.
 
#737
#737
hog88 said:
And what would be the difference under an AnCap system?
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The leprechauns riding in on their unicorns wouldn't allow it...

As I've continued to state, it's just one step closer to feudalism. Or as the example I used, a dictatorship.
 
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Grand Vol said:
The leprechauns riding in on their unicorns wouldn't allow it...

As I've continued to state, it's just one step closer to feudalism. Or as the example I used, a dictatorship.
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Yet he continues to deny history, human nature and plain 'ol economics. It would take a crap load of cash to outfit a "protection agency" to be effective as a replacement for the military and police.
 
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hog88 said:
Yes.

You're talking about an environment where money is absolute power. Easy to whittle away competition when anything goes.
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No. Government is what limits competition. That is why the biggest and the baddest like government and support regulation. They don't want anarchy. That should be your first indicator right there that the biggest and the baddest doesn't win when "anything goes". They like the current system because they write regulatory policy and they win.

Follow the money. People that push for less government get no $ and people that push for more government get bought by the biggest and the baddest.
 
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hog88 said:
Yet he continues to deny history, human nature and plain 'ol economics. It would take a crap load of cash to outfit a "protection agency" to be effective as a replacement for the military and police.
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You're talking about a market of 1000 competitors becoming a market of 1 and then you make fun of my understanding of economics? I would guess that you've never stepped foot in an economics classroom, based on that statement.
 
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hog88 said:
Yet he continues to deny history, human nature and plain 'ol economics. It would take a crap load of cash to outfit a "protection agency" to be effective as a replacement for the military and police.
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The Wal Mart analogy was spot on IMO. Think about how many local businesses have been put out of business by big box stores. Whether that's a local hardware store getting trumped by Lowes/Home Depot or a grocery store going out of business because a Wal-Mart Super Center opened.

Sometimes it's slow, but larger businesses can afford to put the smaller shops out of business just by the bulk sales. A protection agency would be no different.
 
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#744
n_huffhines said:
You're talking about a market of 1000 competitors becoming a market of 1 and then you make fun of my understanding of economics? I would guess that you've never stepped foot in an economics classroom, based on that statement.
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Where will the capitol come from for 100 let alone 1000 protection agencies capable of acting as police and military in Knoxville?
 
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Grand Vol said:
The Wal Mart analogy was spot on IMO. Think about how many local businesses have been put out of business by big box stores. Whether that's a local hardware store getting trumped by Lowes/Home Depot or a grocery store going out of business because a Wal-Mart Super Center opened.

Sometimes it's slow, but larger businesses can afford to put the smaller shops out of business just by the bulk sales. A protection agency would be no different.
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Even in my parents small home town of Cedar City UT, there is a Wal-Mart and several alternatives. There is no such thing as a market with several providers becoming a market of 1 provider, without government meddling. It just doesn't happen.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Even in my parents small home town of Cedar City UT, there is a Wal-Mart and several alternatives. There is no such thing as a market with several providers becoming a market of 1 provider, without government meddling. It just doesn't happen.
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Take away government and let it be decided at the end of a rifle and see how quickly it can happen.
 
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#747
n_huffhines said:
Even in my parents small home town of Cedar City UT, there is a Wal-Mart and several alternatives. There is no such thing as a market with several providers becoming a market of 1 provider, without government meddling. It just doesn't happen.
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Apparently you don't have cable...
 
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#748
hog88 said:
Where will the capitol come from for 100 let alone 1000 protection agencies capable of acting as police and military in Knoxville?
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So you think every one of the 1000 protection agencies is going to have cops patrolling the streets? Neighborhoods and businesses would be patrolled by private security firms (often different, but sometimes the same as a protection agency). There is no military. You would likely see protection agency agents on the reg, but they will look more like insurance agents than military or police. They are mostly there to investigate claims and protect their customer's rights (or make their customer pay if they owe).
 
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#749
Grand Vol said:
Apparently you don't have cable...
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No, I have alternatives. It's called satellite. It's called internet.

Not to mention, cable is a non-rival, but excludable good. It's nothing like the service that a protection agency would offer. It's constrained by infrastructure. The cable company is often awarded monopoly status by, you guessed it, government! So no,one cable company in a town is nothing like 1000 protection agencies becoming 1.

It's not comparable.
 
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#750
n_huffhines said:
No, I have alternatives. It's called satellite. It's called internet.

Not to mention, cable is a non-rival, but excludable good. It's nothing like the service that a protection agency would offer. It's constrained by infrastructure. The cable company is often awarded monopoly status by, you guessed it, government! So no,one cable company in a town is nothing like 1000 protection agencies becoming 1.

It's not comparable.
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So in your free market society. What to stop one company from buying out the others?
 
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