'15 TN DE Kyle Phillips (UT commit 1/3/15)

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Isn't it more likely that the huge factor in LSU's favor here is the plethora of 1st/2nd round picks their defenses have produced over the past 5-6 years? How long has it been since we had a defender taken in the top part of the draft? Robert Ayers and Eric Berry are the last I can remember.

Maybe I'm naive, but I don't think there's something dirty or odd going on anytime an instate kid doesn't want to go to UT. Sometimes they just think it's in their best interest to go to an NFL mill
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
Most schools would be hard pressed to get enough quality OOS kids to make up for missing on the quality in-state kids. UT needs GA to "supplement" its in-state pull, it can't rely on GA to offset its in state misses.
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UT has just as many commits from Georgia right now as TN. So yes it can rely on GA and NC and LA and Florida to offset what you call "misses" that I call going into other states and getting great players.

Middle TN is just a location like any other stop putting it above everywhere else its isn't magical.
 
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LWSVOL said:
this speculation has happened for the last 3 years. Every year about this time when IFM kids go elsewhere. But I can promise you, they do not push kids anywhere. I have supported them financially for several years. If there was a hint of anything wrong I would not do that. I know they do not do it.
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Well I trust your opinion. I can see where kids choose other schools but when three or four end up at one school, especially given that Buck's former coach is the D coordinator and they are all highly recruited by the instate school, right or wrong it's going to raise eyebrows. That's all I'm saying.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
Isn't it more likely that the huge factor in LSU's favor here is the plethora of 1st/2nd round picks their defenses have produced over the past 5-6 years? How long has it been since we had a defender taken in the top part of the draft? Robert Ayers and Eric Berry are the last I can remember.

Maybe I'm naive, but I don't think there's something dirty or odd going on anytime an instate kid doesn't want to go to UT. Sometimes they just think it's in their best interest to go to an NFL mill
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IMO you nailed it. On one of their tweets back and forth said " time to get the money". If we take the big orange glasses off, what school between the 2 in the past 10 years has done a better job of producing players who are getting paid. This has been my thought all along.
 
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BleedorangeinGA said:
IMO you nailed it. On one of their tweets back and forth said " time to get the money". If we take the big orange glasses off, what school between the 2 in the past 10 years has done a better job of producing players who are getting paid. This has been my thought all along.
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The "get the money" Tweet was from Kyle Oliver a UT recruit.....

They want to go to LSU then I am OK with us moving on to someone who wants to bleed Orange. I think they will miss repping the in state school, because when we are winning I am sure there is no better feeling.
 
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bignewt said:
UT has just as many commits from Georgia right now as TN. So yes it can rely on GA and NC and LA and Florida to offset what you call "misses" that I call going into other states and getting great players.

Middle TN is just a location like any other stop putting it above everywhere else its isn't magical.
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Can we find 5 more GA recruits to offset those 5 TN kids, if we hadn't landed them, is the question though. We "missed" on every GA OL that we offered except Boulware (of course we probably didn't push that hard for every one either). But had we not landed Jones and Stewart we might be in more trouble on the OL, at this point, than we are.

GA will always be important to us, as TN doesn't produce enough talent to sustain a competitive team year in and year out. But when we have the talent in state it is imperative that we land it.

You act is if those other states are just up for grabs for UT. There's not a more competitive recruiting state in the country than FL. LA kids rarely leave home and when they do, there's about 4-5 schools ahead of UT on the list for a variety of reasons.
 
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But we get out of state players every year and most of the time they make up the majority of the class. We have to succeed doing that. Im not saying in-state recruiting isn't important, I get it, but there has to be a realistic view of talent in the south which is where we recruit and where we get most of our talent. Nashville is just one piece of the puzzle it isn't the whole puzzle.

What did we do in the 90s when Tennessee didn't have in state talent or very little? We recruiting the nation and guess what? We were elite.
 
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bignewt said:
UT has just as many commits from Georgia right now as TN. So yes it can rely on GA and NC and LA and Florida to offset what you call "misses" that I call going into other states and getting great players.

Middle TN is just a location like any other stop putting it above everywhere else its isn't magical.
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And the TN recruits were, and usually are easier to recruit. Which allows you to focus on those out of state guys. You're continuing to prove why instate recruiting is so important while arguing the opposite. I don't understand the hate of instate recruits. Every team and every state in every sport normally loves their instate recruits and sees the value of them.
 
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bignewt said:
But we get out of state players every year and most of the time they make up the majority of the class. We have to succeed doing that. Im not saying in-state recruiting isn't important, I get it, but there has to be a realistic view of talent in the south which is where we recruit and where we get most of our talent. Nashville is just one piece of the puzzle it isn't the whole puzzle.

What did we do in the 90s when Tennessee didn't have in state talent or very little? We recruiting the nation and guess what? We were elite.
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That also was part of the reason for our continued downfall. After the 90's to the mid 2000's we didn't have the instate talent to fall back on while we were down that would come to UT no matter what like bama and others have had to rebuild. You see that it's important so why be so defensive about it and about people being excited about our new found instate talent? You should be happy about it.
 
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Its not being excited Im just as happy as anybody its when people are so downtrodden when kids choose to go out of state. In state talent is great but Im just trying and failing miserably to provide some perspective.
 
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Montrell Hardy said:
Phillips never seemed overly high on Tennessee IMO. I mean I know he considered them, but he always seemed to downplay them while talking up other schools far more, so LSU isn't a surprise at all. I'm just surprised Butch didn't win over the mother with how good his academic reputation has been at every stop he's made compared to all these other SEC schools. (If indeed academics mattered as much as we've been led to believe).

I think it's unfair to blame Buck or the TN staff on this one. The staff did everything in their power to get him. He's been their #1 priority for over a year. Granted, Buck is probably a lot more pro-LSU than he is some other schools because of his ties with Chavis, but no way he was the reason these kids are going to LSU.

I still cant figure out what Ugo is thinking by going to LSU. He's going to be the lowest rated corner out of the 4 that they are going to sign in this class alone, and it's obvious he's the "Nash Nance" for LSU in this package with Phillips. Why else would they have just recently started recruiting this kid if not for a way of assuring them Phillips?
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Momma also got a front row seat to the UT coach fest, 4 players choose to leave, 2 rape scandals. As a mom and AD those things might have played a role.
 
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The very fact that many in-state kids in many states, not just TN, will consider other SEC schools highly explains the value they place on going to an in-state school. Next to nil unless they were already sold on an in-state school for other reasons such as childhood fan, legacy, friends there, etc. Our roster is full of them and always will be.
 
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Montrell Hardy said:
Meh. Off-field problems and players leaving happens at all SEC schools.
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But meanwhile Chavis has been steady grinding out top defensive prospects. That's my point when you look at the total packages for now. Until UT's new staff lands and places some high level guys to the NFL we will lose close battles like these especially when we have drama like AJ's going on and kids like Hendrix leaving as well. Especially with momma's
 
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You factor this all in with the possibility we slow played some of the wrong guys like Ugo. It's all a dance and a gamble. Sometimes you place the wrong bets.
 
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Vols4us said:
The very fact that many in-state kids in many states, not just TN, will consider other SEC schools highly explains the value they place on going to an in-state school. Next to nil unless they were already sold on an in-state school for other reasons such as childhood fan, legacy, friends there, etc. Our roster is full of them and always will be.
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Nil?? Hardly, most teams are comprised of mostly instate talent. And there's a reason that the home team is usually the hardest to recruit against and always in the mix with every recruit.
 
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bignewt said:
Its not being excited Im just as happy as anybody its when people are so downtrodden when kids choose to go out of state. In state talent is great but Im just trying and failing miserably to provide some perspective.
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Fair enough... I think most have that perspective. We are all just excited about the new instate talent and especially the seemingly elite ones like Phillips and want to land them.
 
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bignewt said:
But we get out of state players every year and most of the time they make up the majority of the class. We have to succeed doing that. Im not saying in-state recruiting isn't important, I get it, but there has to be a realistic view of talent in the south which is where we recruit and where we get most of our talent. Nashville is just one piece of the puzzle it isn't the whole puzzle.

What did we do in the 90s when Tennessee didn't have in state talent or very little? We recruiting the nation and guess what? We were elite.
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The mid to late 90's teams had multiple TN kids in prominent roles. Al Wilson, Clifton, Riley, Westmoreland, Copeland, Cedrick Wilson, Stephens, Hall, Lott, Finlayson, Gaines, Fitzgerald, Scott Galyon etc.
 
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bignewt said:
and just as many from out of state. Everytime I think Im out...they drag me back in.
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So why want to down play the ones from TN? It's a great thing that we have WAY more instate talent than back in the 90's. It will be much easier now.

Ok, I'm done
 
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