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[Obsessed]

Fully legalize in Cali and see what happens? Cali is pseudo legal....so yeah the state was fine with medical use (not recreational like CO) but there were still federal raids of dispensaries all the time. It was basically still illegal from a business, profitability, supply/demand standpoint.

I watched a documentary on it the other night. There's a lot more to it than most believe.

 

[hog88]

Not comparable but whatever. Dude just died selling a "loosey" in an absurdly taxed locale so I'm sure drugs will be a lot smoother.

Liquor and drugs are perfect comparisons. Just look at the surge in crime during prohibition, where did the mob turn after prohibition? Drugs.

Why doesn't everyone have a still in the garage to make their own? It's cheaper and definitely easier to buy it from the store. I know I have a still in the basement.

There is too much work involved and most people don't have the skill to manufacture, sure people would grow some pot plants for their own use but hard drugs wouldn't be homemade in any great scale.

 

[n_huffhines]

I watched a documentary on it the other night. There's a lot more to it than most believe.

What was the documentary called? Did they do good and fair homework in your opinion? I'm a nut for documentaries.

 

[n_huffhines]

Liquor and drugs are perfect comparisons. Just look at the surge in crime during prohibition, where did the mob turn after prohibition? Drugs.

Why doesn't everyone have a still in the garage to make their own? It's cheaper and definitely easier to buy it from the store. I know I have a still in the basement.

There is too much work involved and most people don't have the skill to manufacture, sure people would grow some pot plants for their own use but hard drugs wouldn't be homemade in any great scale.

You can brew your own beer, but I thought liquor was illegal in most states, if not everywhere.

But the point remains the same. You can brew your own beer, and most do not.

 

[govols/cc]

Liquor and drugs are perfect comparisons. Just look at the surge in crime during prohibition, where did the mob turn after prohibition? Drugs.

Why doesn't everyone have a still in the garage to make their own? It's cheaper and definitely easier to buy it from the store. I know I have a still in the basement.

There is too much work involved and most people don't have the skill to manufacture, sure people would grow some pot plants for their own use but hard drugs wouldn't be homemade in any great scale.

Drugs and the crime that follows isn't going away legal or not. The realization is weed is the only thing that the government will ever remotely delve into. Everything else will still be rolling the way it is.

 

[hog88]

You can brew your own beer, but I thought liquor was illegal in most states, if not everywhere.

But the point remains the same. You can brew your own beer, and most do not.

Pretty sure distilling any amount of spirits in TN is illegal. But you are correct about beer and for anyone who has brewed their own beer, you don't do it to save money.

 

[hog88]

Drugs and the crime that follows isn't going away legal or not. The realization is weed is the only thing that the government will ever remotely delve into. Everything else will still be rolling the way it is.

List the most frequent crimes associated with drugs.

 

[n_huffhines]

Drugs and the crime that follows isn't going away legal or not. The realization is weed is the only thing that the government will ever remotely delve into. Everything else will still be rolling the way it is.

Yeah, they will if they are legal. Not completely go away, but that's not even useful to say. Crime associated with little old church women handling the collection plate will never completely go away,

If you want the social cost of drugs to be lessened, go with legalization. If you want big, bloated, government that creates unintended consequences, stick with prohibition. It's going fabulously.

 

[govols/cc]

Yeah, they will if they are legal. Not completely go away, but that's not even useful to say. Crime associated with little old church women handling the collection plate will never completely go away,

If you want the social cost of drugs to be lessened, go with legalization. If you want big, bloated, government that creates unintended consequences, stick with prohibition. It's going fabulously.

You can deal with fairy tale hypotheticals I'll stick with reality.

 

[hog88]

You can deal with fairy tale hypotheticals I'll stick with reality.

Then list the most prevalent crimes associated with drugs.

 

[govols/cc]

List the most frequent crimes associated with drugs.

Trafficking. Distribution. Manufacturing. Home invasions. Murder. Armed robbery. Etc etc

I'm sure you just want to hear possession or "simple possession".

 

[SamRebel35]

Pretty sure distilling any amount of spirits in TN is illegal. But you are correct about beer and for anyone who has brewed their own beer, you don't do it to save money.

As someone that brews his own beer, I can assure you that you are correct. I can produce 60 beers at a cost of about $0.70 per bottle. So that's pretty cheap. The issue is that it takes me about 6 hours on a Saturday to do it. And it isn't easy. Also, there is a legal cap to how much you can brew per year as a home Brewer. The limit is 200 gallons. So asinine.

 

[Obsessed]

What was the documentary called? Did they do good and fair homework in your opinion? I'm a nut for documentaries.

America declassified.

It's a series on Netflix. I'm for legalization. I thought it painted a pretty good picture. Everything from theft, to the Feds and local pd going back and forth.

 

[hog88]

Trafficking. Distribution. Manufacturing. Home invasions. Murder. Armed robbery. Etc etc

I'm sure you just want to hear possession or "simple possession".

No you listed exactly what I thought you would. Now lets drill down a bit shall we.

Trafficking - Virtually gone with legalization, taking the money out of the cartels pockets and putting it into legitimate companies.

Distribution - Same as above

Home invasion, Murder, Armed Robbery - will still be around but will lessen. Take the money out of the gangs and cartels pockets and what do they have to fight over. How would they fund their activities?
Petty theft, burglary and such will always exist.

If you legalize and reduce the amount of felons (guys who never hurt, stole or committed a crime against another) walking the streets who cant get a job reduces people without hope who resort to crime.

 

[n_huffhines]

You can deal with fairy tale hypotheticals I'll stick with reality.

If you think that the war on drugs is a valid use of resources you are the one living in a fairy tale. You have no justification whatsoever for spending $50B on this cause.

You are the one taking costly action because of fairy tale hypotheticals.

I am wanting to stop taking costly action because of fairy tale hypotheticals.

Your thinking is completely backwards.

 

[hog88]

As someone that brews his own beer, I can assure you that you are correct. I can produce 60 beers at a cost of about $0.70 per bottle. So that's pretty cheap. The issue is that it takes me about 6 hours on a Saturday to do it. And it isn't easy. Also, there is a legal cap to how much you can brew per year as a home Brewer. The limit is 200 gallons. So asinine.

I brew once a year for the holidays, I don't love it enough for the work involved.

I distill 2-3 times a year for medicinal purposes.

 

[agent|orange]

Interviews - Eric Schlosser | Busted - America's War On Marijuana | FRONTLINE | PBS

I found this to be pretty interesting.

 

[n_huffhines]

America declassified.

It's a series on Netflix. I'm for legalization. I thought it painted a pretty good picture. Everything from theft, to the Feds and local pd going back and forth.

I know CA has had a terrible time with dispensaries getting robbed, but if it's fully legal everywhere, I think it mostly takes care of that issue. If you can't sell the stolen grass in the next county's black market, it's less likely to happen.

 

[hog88]

I know CA has had a terrible time with dispensaries getting robbed, but if it's fully legal everywhere, I think it mostly takes care of that issue. If you can't sell the stolen grass in the next county's black market, it's less likely to happen.

They get robbed due to the amount of cash they have on hand. Why so much cash? They are barred from using the banking system.

 

[agent|orange]

Pretty sure distilling any amount of spirits in TN is illegal. But you are correct about beer and for anyone who has brewed their own beer, you don't do it to save money.

This is spot on accurate.

I don't brew my own but I have several co-workers that do. Even buying surplus hops from local brewers, it's still a very time consuming hobby. Even done right, their brews are still nowhere near as good as the local options they have access to.

Just like people who dump their money into buying expensive model airplanes or garden... you do it because you want to. You don't do it because you're running a still and profiting from it.

 

[Obsessed]

I know CA has had a terrible time with dispensaries getting robbed, but if it's fully legal everywhere, I think it mostly takes care of that issue. If you can't sell the stolen grass in the next county's black market, it's less likely to happen.

The farms are getting robbed. Employees are paid in pot.

 

[govols/cc]

No you listed exactly what I thought you would. Now lets drill down a bit shall we.

Trafficking - Virtually gone with legalization, taking the money out of the cartels pockets and putting it into legitimate companies.

Distribution - Same as above

Home invasion, Murder, Armed Robbery - will still be around but will lessen. Take the money out of the gangs and cartels pockets and what do they have to fight over. How would they fund their activities?
Petty theft, burglary and such will always exist.

If you legalize and reduce the amount of felons (guys who never hurt, stole or committed a crime against another) walking the streets who cant get a job reduces people without hope who resort to crime.

For some reason you think it's just about cartels.

 

[hog88]

For some reason you think it's just about cartels.

It's a trickle down, cartels to distributor to street gangs to the user. Between the cartels distributor and the street gangs is where the most violent crime takes place.

 

[govols/cc]

If you think that the war on drugs is a valid use of resources you are the one living in a fairy tale. You have no justification whatsoever for spending $50B on this cause.

You are the one taking costly action because of fairy tale hypotheticals.

I am wanting to stop taking costly action because of fairy tale hypotheticals.

Your thinking is completely backwards.

Lol. Your "critical" thinking is what's ass backwards. Still not sure where the "war on drugs" slogan is coming from unless you're still living in the 80s. Nowadays it's just enforcing the law and most times a drug charge correlates to some other criminal behavior. Keep living in your little world thinking you're some sort of philosopher with a "beautiful mind" lol.

 

[govols/cc]

It's a trickle down, cartels to distributor to street gangs to the user. Between the cartels distributor and the street gangs is where the most violent crime takes place.

It's not going away regardless. Your vision is a pipe dream. It's hard to believe some if you actually think the government will actually support a privatized business in manufacturing methamphetamine, cocaine, heroine, and other illicit drugs.