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#VFL__ said:
That's what I've always wondered. I'm no expert but seriously if you step back and look at what we do to people that use a substance. A substance that may or may not ever harm any other human but the user.

So lets see. If we take away having to go through sketchy drug dealers. Maybe that would cut into the murders going on in our cities by small time crooks just trying to make a living. Then add in the money that goes into investigating and then arresting some and ruining their life by giving them a criminal record. Which ensures they never have a job or future. Which leaves them broke, with no job, and desperate. Add in the fact that most come from a less than productive up bringing and you have the recipe for a dang desperate career criminal. Just let them use their drugs and provide them with help, not handcuffs or a bullet. End rant.
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I think u all live on fantasy island lol
 
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n_huffhines said:
Not really. Most of the time they leave people alone and want to be left alone. You hear about the ones that lost their job cause they failed a test and then they stole a car stereo to feed their addiction. You don't hear about the ones that get home from work and sit on a bean bag all night, not hurting anybody.

If they don't lose their job, they don't get desperate. Legalizing takes care of a lot of the problems associated with drug use.
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Have u ever been around someone strung out on crack.....most are not going to work period
 
#2,855
#2,855
Drug addiction should be treated as a medical condition, not a criminal offense.

Now, when the addict breaks an actual law, (against person or property) that's when it should become criminal. IMO
 
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volbeast33 said:
I think u all live on fantasy island lol
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Well guess what, we have tried your approach to the problem now for the past 60 to 70 years and it's time to try something different. It's just not what our police force should be focusing their time and money on.
 
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volbeast33 said:
Have u ever been around someone strung out on crack.....most are not going to work period
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Have you ever been around an intelligent and respectful person on drugs? I have and it let me know that drugs are not the huge problem that the Reagans made them out to be. Its who and how they are used that is the problem.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Drug addiction should be treated as a medical condition, not a criminal offense.

Now, when the addict breaks an actual law, (against person or property) that's when it should become criminal. IMO
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Yep, but harassing motorists driving down the road, busting into people's homes, and putting a human inside of a metal box should cease tomorrow.
 
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volbeast33 said:
Based on several things....American citizens voluntarily paying for the military and other necessary federal programs and the thought that drugs being 100% legal wont cause problems in society to name a couple.
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I doubt that drug legalization would cause any more problems than they already do. With one caveat, employers could at their option still demand a drug free workplace.
 
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hog88 said:
I doubt that drug legalization would cause any more problems than they already do. With one caveat, employers could at their option still demand a drug free workplace.
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Maybe not, I agree the system is definitely screwed up the way it is now....Maybe decriminalizing smaller drug users like the system Portugal uses but I think making it completely legal will make the problem worse but who knows?
 
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volbeast33 said:
Maybe not, I agree the system is definitely screwed up the way it is now....Maybe decriminalizing smaller drug users like the system Portugal uses but I think making it completely legal will make the problem worse but who knows?
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I think allowing employers to maintain drug free environments would deter many from starting. IMO those using now would continue to use and very few of those not using now would start.

We'd just see a lot less people with criminal records who could get a job and have something to look forward to.
 
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volbeast33 said:
Based on several things....American citizens voluntarily paying for the military and other necessary federal programs and the thought that drugs being 100% legal wont cause problems in society to name a couple.
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I think you're projecting your own unwillingness to help fund a military on the rest of Americans. If you don't think people would willingly chip in once per year to ensure that America is defended, I don't know what to tell you. If citizens weren't working the first 4 months of every year to pay uncle Sam, I bet they'd be much more willing to help fund something that is actually needed.
 
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volbeast33 said:
Maybe not, I agree the system is definitely screwed up the way it is now....Maybe decriminalizing smaller drug users like the system Portugal uses but I think making it completely legal will make the problem worse but who knows?
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Yep we just have to figure it out and do what's best for our citizens.
 
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#VFL__ said:
Yep we just have to figure it out and do what's best for our citizens.
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"Even the most seemingly innocuous law is enforced with aggression, not only against property, but also against life itself. This is why law, legislation, and regulation are so dangerous. In the name of bringing peace and order, they actually bring the threat of violence to bear against us all."
Jeffrey Tucker
 
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n_huffhines said:
Not really. Most of the time they leave people alone and want to be left alone. You hear about the ones that lost their job cause they failed a test and then they stole a car stereo to feed their addiction. You don't hear about the ones that get home from work and sit on a bean bag all night, not hurting anybody.

If they don't lose their job, they don't get desperate. Legalizing takes care of a lot of the problems associated with drug use.
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Who should pay for the dental work for meth addicts? Legalization of drug use is not the panacea some like to make it out to be. Drug users do tend to be more lazy and undependable than those that don't use them. Just like smokers, the have more sick days and work issues. I get the concept of legalization, but I think it gets more romanticized than the actual practice turns out to be.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Drug addiction should be treated as a medical condition, not a criminal offense.

Now, when the addict breaks an actual law, (against person or property) that's when it should become criminal. IMO
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At what point do you refuse to treat self inflicted "medical conditions"? Taxpayers certainly shouldn't be paying for Dr Drew when the people that wind up going there will do it again and again and again... This is the tip of the iceberg that is Obolacare too. As a taxpayer that will someday be paying more than my fair for single payer healthcare, I find it extremely objectionable that those funds will go to pay for lung transplants and such other things that are self induced "medical conditions". You want to kill yourself, whether it be cigs or drugs or even alcohol, have at it, but you better get the insurance to put yourself together.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
Who should pay for the dental work for meth addicts? Legalization of drug use is not the panacea some like to make it out to be. Drug users do tend to be more lazy and undependable than those that don't use them. Just like smokers, the have more sick days and work issues. I get the concept of legalization, but I think it gets more romanticized than the actual practice turns out to be.
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Well of course, those are all valid points. The real fork in the road comes when you either agree or disagree with spending billions of OUR tax dollars to wage a false war that targets certain groups. It's that simple...I say no more of my money should go to that cycle of BS. Police departments should not be waging a war on drugs. It puts their life at risk and for what, just to stop someone from using a substance that they will use regardless. Older generations believe this to be justice but I believe the younger generations will choose a different path.
 
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#VFL__ said:
Well of course, those are all valid points. The real fork in the road comes when you either agree or disagree with spending billions of OUR tax dollars to wage a false war that targets certain groups. It's that simple...I say no more of my money should go to that cycle of BS. Police departments should not be waging a war on drugs. It puts their life at risk and for what, just to stop someone from using a substance that they will use regardless. Older generations believe this to be justice but I believe the younger generations will choose a different path.
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Lol
 
#2,875
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SpaceCoastVol said:
At what point do you refuse to treat self inflicted "medical conditions"? Taxpayers certainly shouldn't be paying for Dr Drew when the people that wind up going there will do it again and again and again... This is the tip of the iceberg that is Obolacare too. As a taxpayer that will someday be paying more than my fair for single payer healthcare, I find it extremely objectionable that those funds will go to pay for lung transplants and such other things that are self induced "medical conditions". You want to kill yourself, whether it be cigs or drugs or even alcohol, have at it, but you better get the insurance to put yourself together.
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Where do you draw the line? Obesity and fast food? STD treatments and unprotected sex? Heart attacks and bacon?

Sounds like you're just attempting to project your moral high ground. Color me shocked.
 
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