Eric Garner Grandy Jury Decision Today

[CNCVol88]

Could have, but it appears he felt like he was being harassed and he was tired of it.

Guess he deserved to die.

Once again. Putting words In my mouth. He did deserve to be detained and it took a lot to detain one that size. Should the officer be reprimanded? Yes. Should he be charged for trying to do his job? No. You set a pretty dangerous precedent but that's what the anti cops crowd wants. They want to be able to just run over cops with no fear of consequence.

 

[FLVOL69]

There is no evidence(that I have seen) that he was breaking the law that day prior to resisting arrest.

Well now , that totally changes the dynamics of the case.. You're a ****ing hoot!

 

[lawgator1]

What does that have to do with the lack of any proof he was selling loosies that day?

Whatever drew their attention to him began before the tape. Do not rely on the tape to tell you what the initial grounds for suspicion was.

 

[MercyPercy]

I don't think anyone deserves to die but we are all responsible for actions and his actions directly led to his death.

When attributing the fault of Mr. Garner's death, I am inclined to place more blame on the person who put him in a choke hold, despite the fact that Mr. Garner was not behaving violently or assaulting anyone.

Yay government.

 

[FLVOL69]

Whatever drew their attention to him began before the tape. Do not rely on the tape to tell you what the initial grounds for suspicion was.

I hate agreeing with you .

 

[volbeast33]

And so did the cops' actions. But you don't have a problem with them apparently.

You can't simply ignore them.

I think they were having to fight to detain a 300 pound man in cuffs.....what would u have done differently

 

[CNCVol88]

I hate agreeing with you .

When it comes to law enforcement LG is pretty spot on.

 

[hog88]

If he died from that then it would be the same discussion

The threat of it just might have been enough for him to comply.

If not, then what happens happens.

 

[volbeast33]

When attributing the fault of Mr. Garner's death, I am inclined to place more blame on the person who put him in a choke hold, despite the fact that Mr. Garner was not behaving violently or assaulting anyone.

Yay government.

The cops were doing their job....how would u have detained him differently....don't say let him go bc that is ridiculous

 

[FLVOL69]

When it comes to law enforcement LG is pretty spot on.

He's on the money in this instance.

 

[MercyPercy]

Once again. Putting words In my mouth. He did deserve to be detained and it took a lot to detain one that size. Should the officer be reprimanded? Yes. Should he be charged for trying to do his job? No. You set a pretty dangerous precedent but that's what the anti cops crowd wants. They want to be able to just run over cops with no fear of consequence.

No, I don't want cops to feel like they can run all over citizens with no fear of consequence.

 

[CNCVol88]

When attributing the fault of Mr. Garner's death, I am inclined to place more blame on the person who put him in a choke hold, despite the fact that Mr. Garner was not behaving violently or assaulting anyone.

Yay government.

And I'm more inclined to put the blame on the liberal nanny state policies and his poor judgement but that's neither here nor there.

 

[CNCVol88]

No, I don't want cops to feel like they can run all over citizens with no fear of consequence.

I don't feel like the vast majority feel that way.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

I think they were having to fight to detain a 300 pound man in cuffs.....what would u have done differently

You keep jumping to this point....what part of questioning why it got to that point do you not understand.

You don't even seem capable of questioning the circumstances leading up to them "having" to detain him at all.

If you're not going to question the police's procedures and actions before all that and question if it was even valid to get to that point, then is no point discussing it anymore.

 

[volbeast33]

The threat of it just might have been enough for him to comply.

If not, then what happens happens.

I can agree with trying different means but not a whole lot of options

 

[MercyPercy]

Whatever drew their attention to him began before the tape. Do not rely on the tape to tell you what the initial grounds for suspicion was.

Would you convict someone whose negligence resulted in a death?

 

[CNCVol88]

Would you convict someone whose negligence resulted in a death?

His negligence didn't. The suspects unwillingness to comply with an investigation resulted in death.

 

[volbeast33]

You keep jumping to this point....what part of questioning why it got to that point do you not understand.

You don't even seem capable of questioning the circumstances leading up to them "having" to detain him at all.

If you're not going to question the police's procedures and actions before all that and question if it was even valid to get to that point, then is no point discussing it anymore.

That's bc none of us besides the grand jury knows and they made their decision

 

[theFallGuy]

Crime is a very subjective word these days.

If you are breaking a law it is a crime. Whether or not you feel the law is justified is irrelevant.

 

[DEFENDTHISHOUSE]

So committing a crime 30 times, and being arrested or cited for doing that, which is the cops' job, is harassment?

You are delusional.

Your subservient view of the law is what is truly delusional.

Some blowhard politician makes a decree and writes it on a piece of paper, that places no one under any moral obligation to follow those orders. After all, who works for who?
Where is the discretion of the guys actually "enforcing" these stupid laws?
This man died for what amounts to pocket change, because the thug cops were "just following orders" fn sheep.

 

[mrorange211]

I find it funny with all the crime in a big city like NY, 5 or 6 cops take time out to harass a guy for supposedly selling single cigarettes.

 

[MercyPercy]

His negligence didn't. The suspects unwillingness to comply with an investigation resulted in death.

More victim blaming, yay!

The officer used a maneuver not sanctioned by the police department. Obviously it was not sanctioned for a good reason. I'd say the officer behaved negligently. It might be different if there had been a clear threat to his life.

 

[lawgator1]

Would you convict someone whose negligence resulted in a death?

Convict of what, and what was the negligence? For negligence to rise to the level of a crime, it usually takes quite a bit.

As I've said here now countless times, I agree a good argument can be made that the force was excessive, I agree it will be settled. But I do not necessarily agree that it was criminal.

And when you look at the civil liability side of things, I do think Mr. Garner's own actions played a role in that. It does not exempt or excuse it. But its part of the big picture of what happened.

 

[mrorange211]

If you are breaking a law it is a crime. Whether or not you feel the law is justified is irrelevant.

YEAH! I hate those people that feel that the law is unfair and try to do something about it. **** MLK and Gandhi!

 

[CNCVol88]

Your subservient view of the law is what is truly delusional.

Some blowhard politician makes a decree and writes it on a piece of paper, that places no one under any moral obligation to follow those orders. After all, who works for who.
Where is the discretion of the guys actually "enforcing" these stupid laws?
This man died for what amounts to pocket change, because the thug cops were "just following orders" fn sheep.

I mean we all know you want to live in a fantasy land where everyone follows law because it's the right thing to do but we don't live there. Yes the law is stupid but apparently the people in NYC are okay with it and agree with it and it's the law of the land. You don't just get to ignore law in a functioning society.