Where did life begin? (Merged)

[JoeKyleVol]

You are going to have to explain this one. This makes no sense.

There are those who argue that truth and logic do not exist.

If I say the world is not logical, I must use logic to argue that logic does not exist. Thus, I establish what I am trying to deny.

I cannot argue that there exists a possible world without logic, as that would mean I would have to use logic to establish that such a world exists. The same principle applies as the above.

Logic, as it exists, is all-pervading. It must exist in every possible world. Now, the laws of nature and their mathematical constants can differ from possible world to possible world, as they are not logically necessary.

The following is not a critique of you, but of many atheistic arguments I have encountered: Some atheists want to argue about what is logical all day until we get to the logical problems of a self-caused universe, where they then throw logic to the wind. I find such thought processes mind-boggling and hypocritical. Theists are supposedly irrational because they believe in a God, but atheists are perfectly rational to believe in multiverses and (literally) illogical pre-BB worlds?

 

[tumscalcium]

And we don't know that life began on our planet or even in our universe.

I'm not really sure you're even here. I'm probably just imagining your posts.

 

[Orangeslice13]

I'm not really sure you're even here. I'm probably just imagining your posts.

Lulz.

 

[Orangeslice13]

I hit my thumb with a hammer by accident earlier today. It bled. I'm pretty sure I'm real. Not so sure you guys are though.

 

[govols/cc]

I hit my thumb with a hammer by accident earlier today. It bled. I'm pretty sure I'm real. Not so sure you guys are though.

You should take the red pill.

 

[Vol8188]

I'm not really sure you're even here. I'm probably just imagining your posts.

So you don't believe our planet being seeded by an asteroid from another planet is a possibility?

 

[Orangeslice13]

So you don't believe our planet being seeded by an asteroid from another planet is a possibility?

That asteroid would be within this universe and therefore within the "natural laws" wouldn't it?

 

[Vol8188]

Yup, if the tards (on both sides) can be ignored, some good conversation can take place. I but this thread every so often to see if there is any new theories I haven't heard.

I'm not really sure you're even here. I'm probably just imagining your posts.

I hit my thumb with a hammer by accident earlier today. It bled. I'm pretty sure I'm real. Not so sure you guys are though.

You should take the red pill.

Fascinating

 

[Orangeslice13]

And the question would still persist. How did life get created on the asteroid ?

 

[Vol8188]

That asteroid would be within this universe and therefore within the "natural laws" wouldn't it?

It would. But we wouldn't know what conditions were like on it's home planet for life to begin.

And if our universe is a part of a multiverse that, life's origins may not be from this universe and therfore laws I nature as we know them may not have applied

 

[JoeKyleVol]

And the question would still persist. How did life get created on the asteroid ?

Or in the other universe he mentioned? "Turtles all the way down," my friend.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Fascinating

Lite humor is not tard behavior IMO.

 

[Orangeslice13]

It would. But we wouldn't know what conditions were like on it's home planet for life to begin.

And if our universe is a part of a multiverse that, life's origins may not be from this universe and therfore laws I nature as we know them may not have applied

We know the conditions under which life can exist or cease to exist. Pushing the question to another universe changes nothing.

 

[Vol8188]

We know the conditions under which life can exist or cease to exist. Pushing the question to another universe changes nothing.

But we don't know the conditions under which life began. Experts have been done in labs attempting to replicate the exact conditions, and they've produced lipids and amino acids. Which is very impressive. But perhaps the problem is, that they are using the conditions on earth, as opposed to those of another planet.

 

[Vol8188]

We know the conditions under which life can exist or cease to exist. Pushing the question to another universe changes nothing.

And another universe changes everything.

 

[JoeKyleVol]

And another universe changes everything.

But we don't know anything about other universes, or even if they exist at all.

Saying life could have started in another universe just moves the ball to another court AND changes the rules of the game.

The idea of multiverses and self-causing universes is no more scientific and rational than belief in Gods. Both rely on the lack of knowledge of things we can't possibly know.

 

[Orangeslice13]

And another universe changes everything.

I disagree.
There is no reason to believe constants wouldn't be constant everywhere.

 

[tumscalcium]

So you don't believe our planet being seeded by an asteroid from another planet is a possibility?

What the F does this have to do with anything I said?

 

[Vol8188]

What the F does this have to do with anything I said?

Sorry for assuming you were actually posting about the topic we were discussing. I should have known better.

 

[tumscalcium]

Sorry for assuming you were actually posting about the topic we were discussing. I should have known better.

I was making fun of you for being a dork about universes. In this universe you're not real, but I imagine you. Then you talk about asteroids. Get with the program! Lol

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

So you don't believe our planet being seeded by an asteroid from another planet is a possibility?

If you subscribe to that being a possibility, then you must also agree that God designing everything there is as a possibility.

 

[K-town Vol Fan]

If God created everything billions of years ago, then why were there no humans billions of years ago?

 

[Orangeslice13]

If God created everything billions of years ago, then why were there no humans billions of years ago?

What is a billion years and what if that billion years is happening now.
"There Is No Such Thing As Time" | Popular Science

 

[Orangeslice13]

That might even fit together with that whole "a thousand years is only a second in the eyes of god" thing. And don't get me started on speed/time

Special Theory of Relativity - Special and General Relativity - The Physics of the Universe

 

[LouderVol]

If God created everything billions of years ago, then why were there no humans billions of years ago?

why are there no dinosaurs/dodo birds or etc. now? stuff changes, God caused/planned/knew about/whatever those changes. Time means very little to God, so it wouldn't matter to him if he 'poofed' everything or if he let it take billions of years.