The "Butch Jones" of Basketball!

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We don't have a true PG yet this offense is more entertaining than what was on the floor most of the last 3 years.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
When Tyndall pulls a top 10 class in his first full season then that comparison is fair, not looking very likely though.
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He's a coach! Just went toe to toe with what was the #4 team until Kensucky beat them up! Kansas has McDonald AA's and 5* up and down its roster. CDT scared the sh!t out of them with bunch thrown together,with the only 5* on the team being a bench player!! I wouldn't judge so hard on recruit rankings and just watch his team! GO VOLS!!!
 
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vols 30 said:
Yep. Recruiting is a question mark.
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I would have been surprised if he'd pulled in a lot of big names already. UT hasn't exactly been all that in the last few years (yes, I know; last year's tourney run.)

But if we keep up this energy and excitement, we ought to look better to the next batch of recruits, don't you think?

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I love the way his team plays. We had no business being in that game yesterday with our talent. They are all heart and hustle. Hope he makes it here
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Bonds was at Liberty, under no circumstances should that be your starting SEC PG, just saying. And he's had a couple nice gets, but nothing even close to a top 25 class, never mind a top 10 class like Butch had. His recruiting is a major question, and sure you can use the NCAA as an excuse but that's hisbown fault so he will get no sympathy or pass from me because of it.
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If Tyndall ever pulls a top 10 class I will be shocked. Football is absolutely a necessity because it is the nature of the beast. Achieving the creditability of a Cal (cough) takes time and work around to the NCAA. Also, top 10 classes are normally reserved for the established programs that have been around for a while. Tennessee does not have that at all.

Plus it doesn't take a top 10 class to win a NC. It's nice but we are talking about basketball and it is more about Coaching, system and fit.

I don't think a Tyndall Top 10 is a standard we should be focused on, when ijudgeing him as a coach. Chances are he will never get there anyways. If he can do more with less then so be it.

Time will tell. A Loss is a loss and I agree. A crazy called game yesterday but a loss was expected. Time to gel, see what the NCAA does, see the affects on recruiting and see if CDT's system works. That's about all we can do now.

Also, enjoy these players they are beginning to grow on me and a few others. We knew what we had in Moore and Richardson. Waiting on Hubbs and Reese. The others will be fun no matter what the case. Enjoy it versus placing unrealistic expectations on a new team, new system new coach and players.

It is totally sad and unrealistic to compare this situation to the previous staff coach and team because the are behind us and history. We can what if this to death and we have to a degree but it is foolish to do so.
 
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SeniorDrill said:
I can't say this enough. I totally believe that Donnie Tyndall will do the same thing for Tennessee basketball that Butch Jones is doing for Tennessee football. Winners win no matter whether it's the SEC or the OVC. It's in their blood! They live, breathe, and give their all for their sport. Talking about giving their "All for Tennessee", both of these coaches live it every day. Heck, look at this team put together with 8 newcomers when the Final Signing Date had already past. They just played a game in which they were tied with the number 11 team in the country with 6:49 to go in the game. They are just like the football team, they don't quit. They never quit. I could ride this horse to a win in the Kentucky Derby, but you know where I am coming from. Stand up and fight for this coach and he will take us to the promised land! 'nuff said!
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I'm with you SD! IM WITH YOU! THESE YOUNG MEN HAVE HEART! THE PASSION THEY SHOW ONTHE COURT! THEY WILL WORK EVEN HARDER IF THEY HAD MORE FANS THAT FEEL THIS WAY! FANS THAT FOLLOW THEM EVERYWHERE AND SHOW SUPPORT! DID YOU SEE THE FANS FROM KANSAS? GEESH!!! WAS ANYONE BACK HOME?
 
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smokeybluetick said:
he's a coach! Just went toe to toe with what was the #4 team until kensucky beat them up! Kansas has mcdonald aa's and 5* up and down its roster. Cdt scared the sh!t out of them with bunch thrown together,with the only 5* on the team being a bench player!! I wouldn't judge so hard on recruit rankings and just watch his team! Go vols!!!
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screaming go vols!!!! Gbo!! Let's go!!!!
 
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SeniorDrill said:
I can't say this enough. I totally believe that Donnie Tyndall will do the same thing for Tennessee basketball that Butch Jones is doing for Tennessee football. Winners win no matter whether it's the SEC or the OVC. It's in their blood! They live, breathe, and give their all for their sport. Talking about giving their "All for Tennessee", both of these coaches live it every day. Heck, look at this team put together with 8 newcomers when the Final Signing Date had already past. They just played a game in which they were tied with the number 11 team in the country with 6:49 to go in the game. They are just like the football team, they don't quit. They never quit. I could ride this horse to a win in the Kentucky Derby, but you know where I am coming from. Stand up and fight for this coach and he will take us to the promised land! 'nuff said!
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I think we are in good shape for the next couple of years if he can get a top 20 class in here in 2016. I think he is our coach unless he gets a show cause penalty. I think we'll live with a few game suspension. Many players on the present roster will be a lot better basketball players than they are now if they all do what they are supposed to do and stay with the team.
I can see Mostella being a super star player as a junior and the post players all being able to stand toe to toe with any group in the nation. Woodson has a lot of upside and so do Carmichael and McGhee. Owens must see his weight go up at least 40 pounds to ever be a huge factor.Shembari Phillips seems to be playing point guard for Wheeler this season and his first game was an awesome success. He is a player that could easily see his three star rating jump to four this season.
Tyndall needs to find two or three quality players to go with this group and were in business for some great seasons.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
If Tyndall ever pulls a top 10 class I will be shocked. Football is absolutely a necessity because it is the nature of the beast. Achieving the creditability of a Cal (cough) takes time and work around to the NCAA. Also, top 10 classes are normally reserved for the established programs that have been around for a while. Tennessee does not have that at all.

Plus it doesn't take a top 10 class to win a NC. It's nice but we are talking about basketball and it is more about Coaching, system and fit.

I don't think a Tyndall Top 10 is a standard we should be focused on, when ijudgeing him as a coach. Chances are he will never get there anyways. If he can do more with less then so be it.

Time will tell. A Loss is a loss and I agree. A crazy called game yesterday but a loss was expected. Time to gel, see what the NCAA does, see the affects on recruiting and see if CDT's system works. That's about all we can do now.

Also, enjoy these players they are beginning to grow on me and a few others. We knew what we had in Moore and Richardson. Waiting on Hubbs and Reese. The others will be fun no matter what the case. Enjoy it versus placing unrealistic expectations on a new team, new system new coach and players.

It is totally sad and unrealistic to compare this situation to the previous staff coach and team because the are behind us and history. We can what if this to death and we have to a degree but it is foolish to do so.
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I agree he doesn't need a top 10 class every season, my point was simply you can't try to say he's the Butch Jones of basketball when his recruiting is not even at the level of Derek Dooley of basketball.

While you don't have to have top 10 classes, you do typically need to have top 25 classes to compete regularly on a national level, his first class wasn't, this 2nd class is worse than the 1st and with the NCAA stuff it could hamper the 2016 class.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I agree he doesn't need a top 10 class every season, my point was simply you can't try to say he's the Butch Jones of basketball when his recruiting is not even at the level of Derek Dooley of basketball.

While you don't have to have top 10 classes, you do typically need to have top 25 classes to compete regularly on a national level, his first class wasn't, this 2nd class is worse than the 1st and with the NCAA stuff it could hamper the 2016 class.
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Got it and I agree. There is not a whole lot we can do about the NCAA stuff. It's happened it will be a factor either way and we know it will, but let's not get a head of ourselves until it all occurs. I don't worry as much about recruitting in basketball because there are more overlooked players and underrated that can be picked up.

I am also anxious to see Woodson's development over the year. I think he is a project and to see improvement in his game will be a tell tell sign.

You are right he has not shown that he is the CBJ of recruitting, I don't think he has to be nor do I think he will land a Top 10 class in the next couple of years for many reasons.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I agree he doesn't need a top 10 class every season, my point was simply you can't try to say he's the Butch Jones of basketball when his recruiting is not even at the level of Derek Dooley of basketball.
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How naive! It's the coaching! Would like to know how he won 29 games last year with second tier recruiting?? Now, with Tennessee facilities, all bets are off! This guy can coach circles around Cuonzo Martin. Pity the California Bears if they face the Vols in a year or two!
 
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SeniorDrill said:
How naive! It's the coaching! Would like to know how he won 29 games last year with second tier recruiting?? Now, with Tennessee facilities, all bets are off! This guy can coach circles around Cuonzo Martin. Pity the California Bears if they face the Vols in a year or two!
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On a side note,I'd love to see a Tennessee cal home 2 home series
 
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HBCButch said:
lol! right, I'm not a Vol fan. You guys should dig up your posts from last year and show the newbies what non Vol fans sound like. Only non Vols would put down a S16 berth. I mean we've had so many, that's no biggie at all.
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Yeah the railing was AGAINST THE SWEET 16 BERTH...not the inexcusable losses to horrible A&M + Vandy teams...we were used to that...we had to band together and protest when they succeeded! :crazy:
 
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SeniorDrill said:
How naive! It's the coaching! Would like to know how he won 29 games last year with second tier recruiting?? Now, with Tennessee facilities, all bets are off! This guy can coach circles around Cuonzo Martin. Pity the California Bears if they face the Vols in a year or two!
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What has he done to show he can coach circles around Martin?

I hope CDT wins here but be real. People are straight making up things and changing facts to make excuses for CDT and make Martin look worse. Martin won 27 at a lower tier school. That didn't automatically make him a great coach.

I have seen posters claim we rebound harder now than we ever did under Martin. How ? We execelled in that area with the last team. Those teams would out rebound this team by a large margin.

People are claiming that the offense looks better or is more exciting. How? By scoring less than Martin's teams? I have heard people still claiming that CDT has a fast paced exciting O. Have you watched the games? His o is like I said. Martin pace or a little slower.

When CDT matches what Martin did with a similar roster and preseason predictions I'll say he is as good.

When he beats some ranked teams and rivals and pulls in a couple of top 20 classes I'll say he is the Butch of bball.

Be realistic and unbiased. People are making so many excuses for things they complained about before. Its pitiful.
 
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k-town_king said:
What has he done to show he can coach circles around Martin?

I hope CDT wins here but be real. People are straight making up things and changing facts to make excuses for CDT and make Martin look worse. Martin won 27 at a lower tier school. That didn't automatically make him a great coach.

I have seen posters claim we rebound harder now than we ever did under Martin. How ? We execelled in that area with tthe last team. Those teams would out rebound this team by a large margin.

People are claiming that the offense looks better or is more exciting. How? By scoring less than Martin's teams? I have heard people still claiming that CDT has a fast paced exciting O. Have you watched the games? His o is like I said. Martin pace or a little slower.

When CDT matches what Martin did with a similar roster and preseason predictions I'll say he is as good.

When hr beats some ranked teams and rivals and pulls in a couple of top 20 classes I'll say he is the Butch of bball.

Be realistic and unbiased. People are making so many excuses for things they complained about before. Its pitiful.
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Try not to be so realistic.
You could get as unpopular as BTO.
 
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k-town_king said:
What has he done to show he can coach circles around Martin?

I hope CDT wins here but be real. People are straight making up things and changing facts to make excuses for CDT and make Martin look worse. Martin won 27 at a lower tier school. That didn't automatically make him a great coach.

I have seen posters claim we rebound harder now than we ever did under Martin. How ? We execelled in that area with tthe last team. Those teams would out rebound this team by a large margin.

People are claiming that the offense looks better or is more exciting. How? By scoring less than Martin's teams? I have heard people still claiming that CDT has a fast paced exciting O. Have you watched the games? His o is like I said. Martin pace or a little slower.

When CDT matches what Martin did with a similar roster and preseason predictions I'll say he is as good.

When hr beats some ranked teams and rivals and pulls in a couple of top 20 classes I'll say he is the Butch of bball.

Be realistic and unbiased. People are making so many excuses for things they complained about before. Its pitiful.
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The offense is nothing like Martins
 
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