Even More Obamacare Follies

[govols/cc]

I never said I like the whole bill. But that would benefit everyone.

Welfare does not benefit everyone. That is a fact.

 

[Vol8188]

Welfare does not benefit everyone. That is a fact.

Are you even ****ing literate? We are talking about interstate commerce, not welfare.

 

[govols/cc]

Are you even ****ing literate? We are talking about interstate commerce, not welfare.

You're talking about the ACA, that's welfare no matter how you try to skew the subject. You can polish a turd but it's still a turd.

 

[utvolpj]

They've been handled. 7 such interstate compacts have already been signed.

And is not a product of the ACA. Again I ask, in what ways did it increase competition?

 

[Vol8188]

You're talking about the ACA, that's welfare no matter how you try to skew the subject. You can polish a turd but it's still a turd.

My comment was referring to greater competition through interstate commerce. But I'm not shocked that you don't understand that.

 

[govols/cc]

My comment was referring to greater competition through interstate commerce. But I'm not shocked that you don't understand that.

How does that affect those that don't pay or those that receive a s***load in subsidies?

 

[Vol8188]

How does that affect those that don't pay or those that receive a s***load in subsidies?

That's not what we were talking about. I was asked what I liked about the bill.

 

[hog88]

That's not what we were talking about. I was asked what I liked about the bill.

So if I handed you a shizz sandwich with tomato and cheese you'd eat it because you like the tomato and cheese?

 

[govols/cc]

That's not what we were talking about. I was asked what I liked about the bill.

Since you're a self admitted lib we all know what you like about it. Libs love giving s*** away as long as they're using somebody else's money to do it.

 

[Burger]

You can play the Bennie Hill theme song while reading the crap pile of a bill.

 

[Vol8188]

Since you're a self admitted lib we all know what you like about it. Libs love giving s*** away as long as they're using somebody else's money to do it.

You're still just as dumb as you were yesterday I see.

 

[govols/cc]

You're still just as dumb as you were yesterday I see.

I take that as a compliment from you.

 

[hog88]

You're still just as dumb as you were yesterday I see.

Ya'll are brothers from a different mother.

 

[lawgator1]

Since you're a self admitted lib we all know what you like about it. Libs love giving s*** away as long as they're using somebody else's money to do it.

How do you answer the argument that hospitals are required by law to treat critically ill people regardless of ability to pay, and so via the ACA people have an opportunity now to get far cheaper care earlier and don't end up in the ER at a minimum $5k per pop, plus the base of payers is spread out

Should the law be that the hospital just lets the poor people die?

 

[volinbham]

Of the ten percent who didn't respond, chances are good some of the would have said yes or later agreed.

So yeah, I'd say it's fair to call that the majority. If nothing else we can all agree the majority of people who responded were in favor.

If they didn't respond then they aren't included in the count.

You are confusing those who said they had no opinion with not responding.

No opinion is a legitimate option (just as a tie is a legitimate outcome).

Might as well say that some who said yes probably meant no and vice versa.

 

[volinbham]

How do you answer the argument that hospitals are required by law to treat critically ill people regardless of ability to pay, and so via the ACA people have an opportunity now to get far cheaper care earlier and don't end up in the ER at a minimum $5k per pop, plus the base of payers is spread out

Should the law be that the hospital just lets the poor people die?

Posted somewhere in this thread is data showing that ER visits will actually increase given the increase in Medicaid roles.

Once again you are confusing a talking point (ERs will be utilized less leading to $AVINGS!!) with actual data showing that ER usage will go up.

 

[hog88]

Posted somewhere in this thread is data showing that ER visits will actually increase given the increase in Medicaid roles.

Once again you are confusing a talking point (ERs will be utilized less leading to $AVINGS!!) with actual data showing that ER usage will go up.

Facts? When has LG or 8188 ever needed facts?

 

[Carl Pickens]

So if I handed you a shizz sandwich with tomato and cheese you'd eat it because you like the tomato and cheese?

This sounds like a Carl Pickens analogy

 

[lawgator1]

Posted somewhere in this thread is data showing that ER visits will actually increase given the increase in Medicaid roles.

Once again you are confusing a talking point (ERs will be utilized less leading to $AVINGS!!) with actual data showing that ER usage will go up.

I'd like to see that info.

 

[govols/cc]

How do you answer the argument that hospitals are required by law to treat critically ill people regardless of ability to pay, and so via the ACA people have an opportunity now to get far cheaper care earlier and don't end up in the ER at a minimum $5k per pop, plus the base of payers is spread out

Should the law be that the hospital just lets the poor people die?

Sounds like there was a different law that needed changing.

 

[hog88]

I'd like to see that info.

Here ya go.

More people are likely to turn to the emergency room for their health care and they are likely to do so more frequently under the new health reform legislation. This finding is surprising because an oft repeated argument for insuring the uninsured is that it will allow people to seek less costly and more accessible care elsewhere

Emergency Room Visits Likely to Increase Under ObamaCare | NCPA

 

[volinbham]

I'd like to see that info.

It's in this thread or another thread on the topic.

In a nutshell, Medicaid recipients are heavy users of the ER for minor issues. The biggest chunk of newly insured through ACA are Medicaid.

Additionally, the studies showed that Medicaid recipients used the ER at a higher rate than the uninsured. Moving someone from uninsured to Medicaid doesn't mean less ER utilization. It is a "theory" used to sell the bill but the data suggest the theory is baseless.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

And the ACA in its entirety isn't theft/fraud?

How so?

Wow..............

Socialism is strong when it gets in the system, no?

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Like the number of people who voted for the guy who said he would do this?

You mean the 47% that Mitt Romney got crucified about mentioning?

 

[Gramps]

You mean the 47% that Mitt Romney got crucified about mentioning?

You do realize that 47% Romney was talking about included active military members and seniors that vote Republican.