Official Global Warming thread (merged)

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#VFL__ said:
"The world is getting warmer. Whether the cause is human activity or natural variability—and the preponderance of evidence says it’s humans—thermometer readings all around the world have risen steadily since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution. (Click on dates above to step through the decades.)
According to an ongoing temperature analysis conducted by scientists at NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) and shown in this series of maps, the average global temperature on Earth has increased by about 0.8°Celsius (1.4°Fahrenheit) since 1880. Two-thirds of the warming has occurred since 1975, at a rate of roughly 0.15-0.20°C per decade."

World of Change: Global Temperatures : Feature Articles

So that's what NASA (could be communists) says but yet mike on VN says our earth is not warming. Like I asked prior to this post, are you in the science field or are you just guessing?
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just curious why was GISS doing the study? I guess they didn't have any other real science to do that day.
 
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#VFL__ said:
"The world is getting warmer. Whether the cause is human activity or natural variability—and the preponderance of evidence says it’s humans—thermometer readings all around the world have risen steadily since the beginning of the Industrial Revolution. (Click on dates above to step through the decades.)
According to an ongoing temperature analysis conducted by scientists at NASA’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) and shown in this series of maps, the average global temperature on Earth has increased by about 0.8°Celsius (1.4°Fahrenheit) since 1880. Two-thirds of the warming has occurred since 1975, at a rate of roughly 0.15-0.20°C per decade."

World of Change: Global Temperatures : Feature Articles

So that's what NASA (could be communists) says but yet mike on VN says our earth is not warming. Like I asked prior to this post, are you in the science field or are you just guessing?
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Farmers Almanac and I am not the only one on VN that doesnt believe this stuff --- take a poll
 
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Interesting thread.

It seems to me that any successful argument against human-made climatological effects would need to show that atmospheric carbon is NOT a contributor to the greenhouse effect. Agreed?

You may also want to argue that methane released from warming permafrost is not a potential contributor, but if you can establish that carbon is not a greenhouse gas this argument is over.

It seems on the surface that atmospheric carbon concentrations link to global temperature changes is very basic and unimpeachable science, but I assume there are some complications to the science I have not considered.

From my understanding Earth never would have been able to sustain life without the greenhouse effect as all the water on the surface would be ice otherwise, so it is a planetary fact critical to our survival long before any scientist ever pondered the issue.

Is there anyone here who can provide to a strong scientific explanation for why atmospheric carbon has no effect on climate? I appreciate input.
 
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508mikey said:
Farmers Almanac and I am not the only one on VN that doesnt believe this stuff --- take a poll
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That's great, that is a valid source if information. To be honest, it really doesn't matter if every single one of you on this forum think that x or y is real. None of you or I for that matter are qualified to make such assumptions. It's fun to act as if you do for some people I guess.
 
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Rifleman said:
Interesting thread.

It seems to me that any successful argument against human-made climatological effects would need to show that atmospheric carbon is NOT a contributor to the greenhouse effect. Agreed?

You may also way to argue that methane released from warming permafrost is not a potential contributor, but if you can establish that carbon is not a greenhouse gas this argument is over.

It seems on the surface that atmospheric carbon concentrations link to global temperature changes is very basic and unimpeachable science, but I assume there are some complications to the science I have not considered.

From my understanding Earth never would have been able to sustain life without the greenhouse effect as all the water on the surface would be ice otherwise, so it is a planetary fact critical to our survival long before any scientist ever pondered the issue.

Is there anyone here who can provide to a strong scientific explanation for why atmospheric carbon has no effect on climate? I appreciate input.
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I won't speak for anybody but myself, I actually believe all the crap we are dumping into the atmosphere and oceans and everything else are bad and need to be stopped/limited. My thing is I don't think humans caused GW/CC/whatever PC term is used this week. we may be escalating it to a degree, here is another point i would argue as there is no consistent baseline for these changes in the past. My main thing is the atmospheric carbon levels don't concern me as much as what is happening in the oceans. I believe the world is quite capable of handling some more CO2 in the atmosphere because the rest of the world would handle it. However changes in the ocean and on the land (deforestation and others) have culled the earth's ability to right itself. in other words i see atmospheric changes as a symptom more than a cause. I have seen many of the charts and data and this is the way i feel, i wouldn't argue that the climate isn't changing i just think our priorities are off on how to fix it.
 
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govols/cc said:
If he were a scientist which way do you think he would have to lean with our current "leadership"?
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:lolabove:

Damn you, Eisenhower!!!

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0lgzz-L7GFg[/youtube]

Not saying I agree with the dire prognostications in the video, but wasn't the science on this established before the current "leadership" was born?

I got a chuckle out of your comment anyway.
 
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508mikey said:
All 50 States Face Winter Whack; 5 Feet of Snow Forecast Near Buffalo - NBC News Nice that Oct was the hottest in Japan - what about the rest of the globe ? I guess Barry will have to go to Japan to golf this week.
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I don't think the full data for October has been assembled yet, but here's the rest of the globe for September. Reds are above average, blue below, with dark red and dark blue being records.

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According to NOAA it was the hottest on record:

With records dating back to 1880, the global temperature across the world's land and ocean surfaces for September 2014 was 0.72°C (1.30°F) higher than the 20th century average of 15.0°C (59.0°F), marking the warmest September in the 135-year period of record. The warmth was fairly evenly distributed across the hemispheres, with both the Northern and Southern Hemispheres observing the second highest September temperatures on record. The record highest September temperature in the Northern Hemisphere (beginning of meteorological fall season) occurred in 2005, while the highest September temperature in the Southern Hemisphere (beginning of meteorological spring season) occurred in 1997. With the exception of February, which tied as the 18th warmest February in the 135-year period of record, every month to date in 2014 has been among its four warmest on record, with May, June, August, and September all record warm.
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Globally it seems to be heating up. I for one like the cold, so I certainly don't mind the heat elsewhere displacing some of that Artic air in our direction. Hopefully, we get a lot more.
 
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Rifleman said:
I don't think the full data for October has been assembled yet, but here's the rest of the globe for September. Reds are above average, blue below, with dark red and dark blue being records.

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According to NOAA it was the hottest on record:



Globally it seems to be heating up. I for one like the cold, so I certainly don't mind the heat elsewhere displacing some of that Artic air in our direction. Hopefully, we get a lot more.
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135 years of records!!!
 
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#3,788
Hi, the FallGuy! I'm confused about the Time Covers. Why would you post those in the "Official Global Warming Thread"?

That first TIME cover story is about the Arab Oil embargo of 1973. That is quite a non-sequitur. Or did you mean to post that in another thread?

SHORTAGES: A Time of Learning to Live with Less - TIME

The 1979 cover article discusses methods to reduce heating bills and discover alternative energy sources in the U.S. It mentions that the use wood-burning stoves has become a trend for most people in the country due to the economical benefits it offers.

The Cooling Of America Twas the night before Christmas, and all through the house: Brrrrr!

I'm sure you have a good reason for posting them. They just seem only vaguely related to the topic at hand.
 
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Rifleman said:
Yes, 135 years of global temperature readings sure IS a massive statistical sampling. I'll post the map for October when it comes out.
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It's massive only if you're of the opinion that it's mankind's activities that are driving global climate change. After all, 135 years ago, we were in the middle of the Industrial Revolution. It's also pretty convenient to note that the "Little Ice Age" is said to have ended in 1850, 30 years before this "massive statistical sampling" began to be kept.
 
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Rifleman said:
Yes, 135 years of global temperature readings sure IS a massive statistical sampling. I'll post the map for October when it comes out.
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135 years is geologic time means shizz. What is conveniently ignored is that at different times during earths history, both pre and post man it has gone through several cooling and warming cycles.
 
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MG1968 said:
It's massive only if you're of the opinion that it's mankind's activities that are driving global climate change. After all, 135 years ago, we were in the middle of the Industrial Revolution. It's also pretty convenient to note that the "Little Ice Age" is said to have ended in 1850, 30 years before this "massive statistical sampling" began to be kept.
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I think it is a very large amount of data no matter what one's personal conclusions are about the data.

Of course as a stats geek in all aspects I'd love to have data going further back, but I think it would be interpreted by the ideological extremes to benefit their own arguments if it was available tomorrow:

The left would use the colder temps in the early 1800s to say, "Look, we've warmed even more than we previously believed!"

The right would say, "Look, Climate can vary radically in the short-term without man-made carbon input."

Still, I'd like to see the data and be informed, wouldn't you? I feel confident that I can parse it and not take the ideologically-warped interpretations of others into account while doing so.

Similarly, the devil might quote scripture but that doesn't mean I'm going to stop reading the Bible.
 
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Rifleman said:
I think it is a very large amount of data no matter what one's personal conclusions are about the data.

Of course as a stats geek in all aspects I'd love to have data going further back, but I think it would be interpreted by the ideological extremes to benefit their own arguments if it was available tomorrow:

The left would use the colder temps in the early 1800s to say, "Look, we've warmed even more than we previously believed!"

The right would say, "Look, Climate can vary radically in the short-term without man-made carbon input."

Still, I'd like to see the data and be informed, wouldn't you? I feel confident that I can parse it and not take the ideologically-warped interpretations of others into account while doing so.

Similarly, the devil might quote scripture but that doesn't mean I'm going to stop reading the Bible.
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One thing we do know is that carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is not a driver of warming. Why it continues to be the focus of the alarmists is troubling.
 
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MG1968 said:
One thing we do know is that carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is not a driver of warming. Why it continues to be the focus of the alarmists is troubling.
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That is excellent, news! This thread and this argument are over, then.

Are we just warming as a part of a natural cycle?

Where can I find a full explanation of the science that disproves that CO2 is a greenhouse gas?

I'll pepper it out to all my contacts, asap.
 
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Rifleman said:
I don't think the full data for October has been assembled yet, but here's the rest of the globe for September. Reds are above average, blue below, with dark red and dark blue being records.

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According to NOAA it was the hottest on record:



Globally it seems to be heating up. I for one like the cold, so I certainly don't mind the heat elsewhere displacing some of that Artic air in our direction. Hopefully, we get a lot more.
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Pro tip: We don't care about areas in red outside of America.
 
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Rifleman said:
That is excellent, news! This thread and this argument are over, then.

Are we just warming as a part of a natural cycle?

Where can I find a full explanation of the science that disproves that CO2 is a greenhouse gas?

I'll pepper it out to all my contacts, asap.
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Scientist: Carbon Dioxide Doesn't Cause Global Warming - US News

Humans not to blame for global warming, says Greenpeace co-founder Patrick Moore | Daily Mail Online

Global warming caused by chlorofluorocarbons, not carbon dioxide, new study says

CO2 Science
 
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MG1968 said:
One thing we do know is that carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is not a driver of warming. Why it continues to be the focus of the alarmists is troubling.
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It also makes me wonder why the leftists over at Exxon are agitating for a Carbon Tax?

This statement make no sense in light of what you are saying is a know fact:

Climate policy engagement| ExxonMobil

A variety of policy strategies can contribute to GHG emissions reductions, such as cap-and-trade rules, carbon taxes, increased efficiency standards and incentives or mandates for renewable energy. ExxonMobil participates in GHG emissions trading when cost-effective, in areas of our operations where regulated trading schemes exist. However, we believe a well-designed, revenue-neutral carbon tax program provides a more cost-effective alternative to a cap-and-trade regime for reducing GHG emissions.
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Since when did Al Gore become the CEO of Exxon?
 
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Rifleman said:
It also makes me wonder why the leftists over at Exxon are agitating for a Carbon Tax?

This statement make no sense in light of what you are saying is a know fact:

Climate policy engagement| ExxonMobil



Since when did Al Gore become the CEO of Exxon?
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Where do you get that Exxon is "agitating" for a carbon tax? Sounds to me that Exxon is saying that it would prefer a revenue neutral carbon tax over a cap and trade system as envisioned by Obama.
 
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Ugh..cap and trade..that literally does nothing to help stop emissions. Lets cap a companies limit on emissions BUT allow them to buy more allowances from others who are under their limits. Of course the brain dead left winger will think this could force companies to "innovate" and find better solutions with less emissions but it doesn't. Polluters keep on polluting while non polluters rake in the cash and sell their allowances.

I'm working on developing a massive dirt farm so I can start selling allowances to the highest bidder...
 
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