AJ Johnson Accused of Sexual Assault

#76
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rocktopper16 said:
In rape cases you are Guilty until proven innocent.

Actually, I'm leaning to AJ being innocent with her friend deciding not to pursue charges but that still doesn't defer what occurred.

This is the 2nd time he had been in trouble this year. That's concerning.
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Those are two completely unrelated incidents.
 
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rocktopper16 said:
In rape cases you are Guilty until proven innocent.

Actually, I'm leaning to AJ being innocent with her friend deciding not to pursue charges but that still doesn't defer what occurred.

This is the 2nd time he had been in trouble this year. That's concerning.
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I dunno. If I'm 22 and had a house full of 19 and 20 year old college girls, I'd load the back of my truck with as much booze as I could fit. There's no way I'd ever rape someone. He's been pretty chill up to this point , depending on the outcome of this .
 
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NEOCON said:
Talked to some people close to AJ today. They said this is just not like him. Said they don't believe he will get charged and it will be dropped.

I am going with their opinion as they actually know the guy and character has a lot to do with something like this.

They said not to worry so I am not worrying.
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That all sounds very good.

For the record, the fact that I'm defending the decision not to post the name of the accuser on VN does not mean I believe/hope our players are guilty.
 
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NEOCON said:
Talked to some people close to AJ today. They said this is just not like him. Said they don't believe he will get charged and it will be dropped.

I am going with their opinion as they actually know the guy and character has a lot to do with something like this.

They said not to worry so I am not worrying.
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He seems better than this and I would love to believe he didn't do it. I'm with AJ until he's proven guilty and I think all of this fan base should be. I am worried though.
 
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rocktopper16 said:
Sure, but the police have been involved in both cases. That's concering. Not for him but for the University and there standards.
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The police are under-educated hicks. That's why they're police.

A cop with an education is a fast food worker.
 
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ukvols said:
If the courtroom is the only place a sexual assault victim's name is kept confidential, then their privacy is not being protected at all.

And, FWIW, VN posts would be admissible just like Facebook posts are admissible. Random people posting rumors is not evidence, but suppose AJ himself posted here. It would be just as admissible as cell phone texts and LinkedIn updates.
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From where I sit, in a system that believes that one is innocent until proven guilty, the privacy of both parties should be of the utmost importance. The way it stands, especially with rape shield laws, there is really no penalty for an accuser who might have behaved vindictively. Yes it does happen, no I am not suggesting it happens often. I simply think it is a perversion of the foundation of everything we hold dear to allow one party to be completely tried and convicted in the court of public opinion without the tiniest shred of evidence released to the same judge/jury and executioner beyond speculation and an accusation.

I have never understood why anyone being booked gets the pleasure of being all over the local newspapers, before there is any proof of guilt beyond an accusation. Without going into too much detail, my wife was charged with a misdemeanor. The police came to our house on a Sunday and arrested her for the supposed crime that happened days earlier. Over a span of several weeks, my wife went through some significant humiliation of having anyone with access to the local newspaper see that she had been arrested and booked for a crime. There were humiliating conversations she had to have with her employer, some employees and customers. When we finally went to court to talk to the D.A., the charges were dropped with a half-assed apology. The newspaper later ran a retraction but I thought that was a total and blatant invasion of privacy rights that should be protected. We were basically left with no recourse. It just wasn't worth spending tens of thousands of dollars to fight a protracted legal battle over a simple misdemeanor charge that was dropped.

i don't know how to fix it. While the trial at least has a high burden of proof, the defendant is often already tarred and feathered before his day in court in almost every meaningful way (job, relationships, money spent on defense, etc). More than that, should the defendant be found not guilty by a jury of his/her peers, that rarely if ever removes the stain.

Don't misconstrue any of this as being anti-victim. The problem is that the victim will never be whole again. There is nothing that can repair a victim of any violent crime except time, lots of counseling, and a close knit support group. On the same token, there is no justice gained for society or the victim by the public crucifixion of the defendant before guilt has been determined. Its a terrible situation all around, with people and their lives caught in the gears of a machine that doesn't always have the best interest of any of the parties in mind. That's just my two cents.
 
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NEOCON said:
Talked to some people close to AJ today. They said this is just not like him. Said they don't believe he will get charged and it will be dropped.

I am going with their opinion as they actually know the guy and character has a lot to do with something like this.

They said not to worry so I am not worrying.
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bamacheats said:
Sorry is having 'uk' and 'vols' in the same handle.
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I can explain that.
I have two degrees from UK (and one from UF).
My fandom is All Vol. I was accepted to UT twice but never matriculated for various reasons.
I joined VN during my second-to-last year at UK. Being a Vol at UK, I had been using the handle "ukvol" going back to undergrad. When I joined VN, that handle was unavailable (though I have never seen the other poster), so I added an 's'.
 
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bamacheats said:
Sorry is having 'uk' and 'vols' in the same handle.
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By the way, if you responded with the crazy face because you judged me as a UK troll trying to start crap in this thread, then I get it.

It's just been a really, really long time since my handle was questioned here. But, I get the confusion.
 
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Stephen Gray said:
You're right, just that you'd tell them that. The ones close to you, partying with football players, that is. Yeah, that's better.. yeah..
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Exactly. Any moron who's gonna party with players at 2 a.m. can't expect to be treated like a royal lady.

Testosterone + alcohol + early morning + girls = trouble
 
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daj2576 said:
From where I sit, in a system that believes that one is innocent until proven guilty, the privacy of both parties should be of the utmost importance. The way it stands, especially with rape shield laws, there is really no penalty for an accuser who might have behaved vindictively. Yes it does happen, no I am not suggesting it happens often. I simply think it is a perversion of the foundation of everything we hold dear to allow one party to be completely tried and convicted in the court of public opinion without the tiniest shred of evidence released to the same judge/jury and executioner beyond speculation and an accusation.

I have never understood why anyone being booked gets the pleasure of being all over the local newspapers, before there is any proof of guilt beyond an accusation. Without going into too much detail, my wife was charged with a misdemeanor. The police came to our house on a Sunday and arrested her for the supposed crime that happened days earlier. Over a span of several weeks, my wife went through some significant humiliation of having anyone with access to the local newspaper see that she had been arrested and booked for a crime. There were humiliating conversations she had to have with her employer, some employees and customers. When we finally went to court to talk to the D.A., the charges were dropped with a half-assed apology. The newspaper later ran a retraction but I thought that was a total and blatant invasion of privacy rights that should be protected. We were basically left with no recourse. It just wasn't worth spending tens of thousands of dollars to fight a protracted legal battle over a simple misdemeanor charge that was dropped.

i don't know how to fix it. While the trial at least has a high burden of proof, the defendant is often already tarred and feathered before his day in court in almost every meaningful way (job, relationships, money spent on defense, etc). More than that, should the defendant be found not guilty by a jury of his/her peers, that rarely if ever removes the stain.
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This is pretty much the kind of thing that my earlier rants were based on , in a nutshell. It's sickening.
 
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NEOCON said:
Talked to some people close to AJ today. They said this is just not like him. Said they don't believe he will get charged and it will be dropped.

I am going with their opinion as they actually know the guy and character has a lot to do with something like this.

They said not to worry so I am not worrying.
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Actually just read the same thing you said on twitter. Feeling a little better.
 
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bamacheats said:
Exactly. Any moron who's gonna party with players at 2 a.m. can't expect to be treated like a royal lady.

Testosterone + alcohol + early morning + girls = trouble
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Where the hell were you earlier when I was getting crucified for saying something similar ? Not deflecting blame from pos rapists and such, but the other party can in most of these cases, prevent them from happening with a small amount of common sense.
 
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bamacheats said:
Exactly. Any moron who's gonna party with players at 2 a.m. can't expect to be treated like a royal lady.

Testosterone + alcohol + early morning + girls = trouble
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WTF!? So you just assume what the chic is claiming is real?!
 
#95
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bamacheats said:
Nope. I have no idea what is 'real'.

Anyone already condemning AJ is a dumbass.

Anyone already condemning the rowing team member is a dumbass.
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So you don't believe in speculation. You must really hate analyts.
 
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Wezcoast said:
Where the hell were you earlier when I was getting crucified for saying something similar ? Not deflecting blame from pos rapists and such, but the other party can in most of these cases, prevent them from happening with a small amount of common sense.
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I get what you are saying, I totally do. I don't necessarily agree with you. People should be able to live their lives free of worry that their appearance, their actions, or their words, will lead to being raped, or stabbed, or beaten, or shot. That is the ultimate goal: that we can live in a society where we can all get along harmoniously respecting each other's privacy and space.

That being said, that isn't the world we live in yet. Sadly. Precautionary measures can prevent some crime. There are many examples of this truism. As an example: I have heard some people argue for owning guns as a way to ameliorate danger to their person, yet some of those same people will also tell others that victims are not in any way responsible for their ultimate situation (if you believe that, why do you own a gun?).

It is a slippery slope, and the world is far more grey than either side is apparently capable of admitting.
 
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daj2576 said:
I get what you are saying, I totally do. I don't necessarily agree with you. People should be able to live their lives free of worry that their appearance, their actions, or their words, will lead to being raped, or stabbed, or beaten, or shot. That is the ultimate goal: that we can live in a society where we can all get along harmoniously respecting each other's privacy and space.

That being said, that isn't the world we live in yet. Sadly. Precautionary measures can prevent some crime. There are many examples of this truism. As an eample-some people argue for owning guns as a way to ameliorate danger to their person, yet some of those same people will also tell others that victims are not in any way responsible for their ultimate situation (if you believe that, why do you own a gun?).

It is a slippery slope, and the world is far more grey than either side is apparently capable of admitting.
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So, according to your point of view, AJ is possibly a victim?
 
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daj2576 said:
I get what you are saying, I totally do. I don't necessarily agree with you. People should be able to live their lives free of worry that their appearance, their actions, or their words, will lead to being raped, or stabbed, or beaten, or shot. That is the ultimate goal: that we can live in a society where we can all get along harmoniously respecting each other's privacy and space.

That being said, that isn't the world we live in. Sadly. Precautionary measures can prevent some crime. It is amazing how the same people who argue for owning guns as a way to ameliorate danger to their person, will also tell others that victims are not in any way responsible for their ultimate situation (if you believe that, why do you own a gun?). It is a slippery slope, and the world is far more grey than either side is apparently capable of admitting.
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Your second paragraph is exactly what I've been trying to get across. I wish we all treated each other with respect and dignity. I'd love to be able to leave my back door open all night and let some fresh air through. Mostly I wish young people could enjoy growing up while having a little fun now and then without such crushing effects on their lives. However, that's not reality. Reality is if you want to avoid being a sick statistic, you'd better have your head on straight and not go looking for trouble, because it will find you.
 
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bamacheats said:
So, according to your point of view, AJ is possibly a victim?
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I believe his POV is something like blithering idiots should STFU until more facts become present. If they keep flapping their gums like wind up chatterboxes there is a risk that an innocent man gets his name drug through the dirt while the accuser remains nameless. The system is a failure but there is no need to make use of it's failures on a ****ing college football message board.
 
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