Oregon suicide law

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Danl said:
Please tell me you aren't asserting that at some point it doesn't become clear that a person is not going to recover.
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Just because it may clearly look like a person is not gong to recover, doesn't mean they definitely will not.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
And I can respect that. I would never OK an abortion if it was mine, but I would still vote for the choice to do so.
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I know physician assisted suicide is a hot topic and my religious beliefs sometimes hinders me in that respect. But I have to say, I can definitely see the benefits of it.
 
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I learned an awful lot from my dad as he was dying from his glioblastoma tumor. It took him a year and a half to die and he fought it until his last day. I am a stronger and better man today because of the courage and example my father showed when he was faced with certain death. This woman had an opportunity to show what bravery and courage really are and took the easy way out, in my opinion.
 
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MercyPercy said:
How To Die In Oregon is worth a watch.
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I would take it a step further and say it is a must watch.

Regardless of how you feel about the law (or think you feel about the law) it is an eye opening and powerful documentary. I think everyone should watch it with the people that may have power over their end of care (family or potential family). For example, I made by girlfriend sit down and watch it. She hates death (and death jokes). She is also a fighter to the bitter end.

Watching it gave a great opportunity to talk about various end of life situations and what we would prefer. It is important to make sure you are on the same page. I don't have to fight to the bitter end nor does she have to avoid needless suffering, but we both should be willing and committed to respect (and carry out) the clear wishes of the other one.
 
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VolsNSkinsFan said:
Call me crazy but I'd rather go down as a fighter.
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I have watched a friend pass from brain cancer that he fought to the end, I watched a grandfather die from colon cancer, a cousin die from cervical cancer, and my mom from dementia this summer. You obviously haven't been through it yet. Being able to stop living in misery and pick your time of death so that you can get your affairs in order and be with your family is priceless.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
I have watched a friend pass from brain cancer that he fought to the end, I watched a grandfather die from colon cancer, a cousin die from cervical cancer, and my mom from dementia this summer. You obviously haven't been through it yet. Being able to stop living in misery and pick your time of death so that you can get your affairs in order and be with your family is priceless.
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I guess you missed my post of how I watched two people die in front of me and saw what death looks like and it was not even remotely beautiful. In addition I am catholic and respect life to the fullest in both good times and bad. Also how does killing yourself give you time to get your affairs in order? Your post makes no sense. Sorry you have seen people suffer but to act like you are the the only one here to do so and we are all naïve is rich.
 
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VolsNSkinsFan said:
I guess you missed my post of how I watched two people die in front of me and saw what death looks like and it was not even remotely beautiful. In addition I am catholic and respect life to the fullest in both good times and bad. Also how does killing yourself give you time to get your affairs in order? Your post makes no sense. Sorry you have seen people suffer but to act like you are the the only one here to do so and we are all naïve is rich.
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My friend had his affairs in order about a week after his diagnosis, so your argument is shaky at best.
 
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Being in our forty's me and the Mrs have had these discussions and are in the process of doing living wills. Her wishes are to be let go if there is no hope, that's hard for me to accept because IMO with each breath there is hope.

Difficult thing to discuss.
 
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hog88 said:
Being in our forty's me and the Mrs have had these discussions and are in the process of doing living wills. Her wishes are to be let go if there is no hope, that's hard for me to accept because IMO with each breath there is hope.

Difficult thing to discuss.
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And that's perfectly normal and fine. A DNR is different from assisted suicide
 
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VolsNSkinsFan said:
This still makes zero sense. What caused him to get his plans in order? The diagnosis or him planning on his suicide?
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Are you that dense?

The concept of probability and a reflection of his diagnosis prompted him to get his affairs in order, since he knew he was more than likely going to die.

Anyone that receives a diagnosis that even gives you a 90% chance of survival, you should be smart and get everything in order.
 
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VolsNSkinsFan said:
And that's perfectly normal and fine. A DNR is different from assisted suicide
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Pretty close in my book. In either case we have differing opinions I want to be drug kicking and screaming out of this world (at least as of now) and she doesn't want to suffer. Either way have to honor her wishes.
 
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Being able to stop living in misery and pick your time of death so that you can get your affairs in order and be with your family is priceless.
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I think we have a miscommunication. This above doesn't make any sense to me b/c if you get a diagnosis you automatically should get your affairs in order. The above post comes off to me as picking a date to commit suicide is the reason to get your affairs in order, when your affairs should be in order right after you get a diagnosis. When would you complete your will? After the diagnosis or after you fill a suicide prescription?
 
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Also shouldn't we focus our resources on discovering new drugs and methods to cure cancer, instead of using those resources to develop drugs and industries to kill us?
 
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VolsNSkinsFan said:
Also shouldn't we focus our resources on discovering new drugs and methods to cure cancer, instead of using those resources to develop drugs and industries to kill us?
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It's not like this is a matter of allocating efforts and funding. 'Suicide cocktails' are already developed. This is a matter of legislation.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
It's not like this is a matter of allocating efforts and funding. 'Suicide cocktails' are already developed. This is a matter of legislation.
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Yes but factories have to be built and people have to work in them to make the suicide prescription when those resources should be used and should've been used to work on finding a cure.
 
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