Could the conspiracy theorists be right?

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bamawriter said:
The SEC has an office complex in Birmingham that they don't pay for. They've had this set up for decades now.

Unless another city wants to pay to relocate the SEC, it's not going to happen.



The SEC is what it is, in large part, because of Alabama's historical success. Don't like that fact? Sorry. Still a fact.
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It's a fact in your mind, but it's not a fact in mine at all. The others can speak for themselves.
 
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bamawriter said:
Do you think it's possible that the administrations of the 13 other schools don't share the paranoid delusions of some of their fans?
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That's entirely possible provided that we are indeed talking about paranoid delusions. The body of visual evidence and expert opinion is beginning to suggest otherwise.
 
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SeniorDrill said:
You know you can sugarcoat it all you want. But it was "intentional" to run that player in after the defense was set to confuse that defense. It was planned before the game ever started, Saban probably put his blessing on it, and it was "dirty pool", Alabama style. Quite disgusting playing against a team that has been down so long. Borders on cheating!:thud:
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Yeah, it was intentional. Given that it's not illegal, why not do it? A&M tried it against us last week. Nothing wrong with completely legal gamesmanship.
 
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90 Vol said:
That's entirely possible provided that we are indeed talking about paranoid delusions. The body of visual evidence and expert opinion is beginning to suggest otherwise.
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If UT believes that the officials were talking to someone via their headsets that they shouldn't have been, then UT can quite easily investigate without need the SEC's assistance or blessing.
 
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bamawriter said:
The defense only gets an opportunity to sub if the offense subs. Since Bama didn't sub, there was no time allotted to Tennessee. To your point, Bama took a risk of a delay of game or an illegal procedure on the play, because they had to leave enough time for the player to get inside the numbers and get set.
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But my point, exactly, is there needs to be a rule change if this behavior is legal. You cannot put 10 men on the field, wait for the defense to get set, then run your 11th on without calling it a substitution. Else, what's to stop you from lining up with only 9 men, and running 2 others on? There's a big difference in running in two extra linemen (power set) vs. two extra wide-outs. 8/3? 7/4?

Are you suggesting you're ok with the ref NOT stopping to allow the defense to sub/adjust in that situation? Also, this is an issue with the first play of every drive and following every time-out like stoppage of play: where your so called non-substitution player can run on late.

Needs to be addressed.

AV
 
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Aerie Vol said:
But my point, exactly, is there needs to be a rule change if this behavior is legal. You cannot put 10 men on the field, wait for the defense to get set, then run your 11th on without calling it a substitution. Else, what's to stop you from lining up with only 9 men, and running 2 others on? There's a big difference in running in two extra linemen (power set) vs. two extra wide-outs. 8/3? 7/4?

Are you suggesting you're ok with the ref NOT stopping to allow the defense to sub/adjust in that situation? Also, this is an issue with the first play of every drive and following every time-out like stoppage of play: where your so called non-substitution player can run on late.

Needs to be addressed.

AV
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I get your point, but no one made UT send 11 guys out there. They could have waited to see who came off the Bama sideline. But they had a nickel out there, and were ultimately in the right package. They just didn't know who was supposed to cover the TE. And it resulted in Cooper running free, which never should have happened no matter what Bama did pre-snap.
 
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SeniorDrill said:
You know you can sugarcoat it all you want but it was "intentional" to run that player in after the defense was set to confuse that defense. It was planned before the game ever started, Saban probably put his blessing on it, and it was "dirty pool", Alabama style. Quite disgusting playing against a team that has been down so long. Borders on cheating!:thud:
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If it's within the rules and it works, it's good coaching. We don't need to whine and beg for mercy because we've been down.
 
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lets not get our panties in a wad. If you read the article, the claim is that the official were talking to someone off the field during the personal foul call on the Kickoff. What was very obvious, in my opinion, was that they were trying to determine if Wiseman threw a punch. Butch was yelling at Wiseman and the Alabama assistant coach standing behind Saban(while they were both standing behind the ref huddle) kept giving the "throw him out" gesture with his thumb. I am not sure what advantage Alabama would get from the refs disucussing a penalty that had already been called. In the article, the author seems to be saying that someone in the Confrenece is instructing the refs. Would not make sense in the situation he is addressing at the UT game and is a bit irresponsible of him to suggest using that as part of his argument.
 
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American Pig said:
The second drive of the game last night, Peterman handed to Hurd, Hurd ran for a first down by a yard easy right in front of ref on sideline. Ref moved the ball just short of first, killing the drive and forcing punt. I watched several times on ultra slow motion. I can't see anything justifying spotting that ball back from where he went down.
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I was wondering about that spot during the play live. It was a run to the left side and out of bounds. I don't have TVo, but I could have sworn he made it. I really wanted to see a replay, and thought that a challenge may have been warranted... oh well...
 
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I40flyer said:
This is a damn serious charge, if true it needs to be stomped on, everyone with any part, or knowledge (and did not speak up) must go, immediately without any compensation whatsoever. This would include any and all on any coaching staff. Again, if true.
On the other hand, this is a damn serious charge, and one that should not be thrown around without Substantial proof, not gut feelings, or they made a couple bad calls etc. This type of charge will reflect on All Schools in the SEC. If there is enough proof to warrant an investigation, I hope UT backs the investigation, to insure a clean program, and, cooperates 110%-thus demonstrating to all, we have a clean program.
Any school not cooperating, or obfuscating in anyway should be denied bowl attendance for a period of at least 5 years, without exception.
A rumor like this can really harm the entire conference-the strongest measures should be taken to either disprove everybit of it, or drop the hammer on it, without mercy.
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:lolabove: Now that's what I'm talking about!

P.S. Always been cheating and always will be. :)

GO VOLS!
 
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MaxamusXIII said:
I can't remember who but one of you guys suggested a post game presser for the refs.
It would cut down on the BS if they had to answer questions about their calls.
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That's a great concept, let the media ask the officials questions after the game. It's a great idea, but it will never happen. Refs think they are Gods out there and they take it very personal when questioned by fans or the media. There will never be any public accountability in that profession.
 
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UTProf said:
I've heard that game mentioned a lot. What happened in it?
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The replay official made a really bad call on an interception by Ohio State. The ball was on the ground but he said it was a catch. Worst call of the year and Ohio State scored a TD with the short field.

Announcers couldn't believe the call. The play shown over and over on TV.

It has the appearance of Big 10 officials trying to get Ohio State a shot in the championship playoff.
 
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Boca Vol said:
Regarding when the playclock hits "0", Rocky Goode addressed that. He said the SEC rule is different than the NFL rule. The NFL rule is the whistle blows at "0"....makes sense to me.

The SEC official in charge of watching the playclock looks at the center as the clock is hitting "0" and if the center is moving the ball, the play is allowed to continue. Very subjective, IMO.
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Evidently the official watches the play clock hit zero, then counts "one Mississippi, two Mississippi, three Mississippi" before looking to see if the ball is being snapped.
 
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AshG said:
I had this little gem come into my inbox earlier tonight:

Mike Pereira criticizes SEC officiating, calls for investigation by Mike Slive and Rogers Redding

I've not bought into the conspiracy theorists out there who claim that the refs are instructed to preserve certain teams, but given the number of suspect calls this year for multiple teams in the conference there does need to be an external review and, if necessary, investigation.

I've a friend who officiates for the ACC. He says that the consensus among conference officiating crews is that SEC refs are a joke. I asked him point blank if he thought they were crooked and he declined to answer.

I look forward to seeing where this conversation goes.
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They have to make sure the SEC has two in the four team playoff. Bama and someone else.
 
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Batman1948 said:
The replay official made a really bad call on an interception by Ohio State. The ball was on the ground but he said it was a catch. Worst call of the year and Ohio State scored a TD with the short field.

Announcers couldn't believe the call. The play shown over and over on TV.

It has the appearance of Big 10 officials trying to get Ohio State a shot in the championship playoff.
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Ohio state has zero shot. Even if they beat Michigan state. The big 10 will be left out unless it's state.
 
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It's hard to change this when Emmert himself will do anything for some of the upper teams. Especially Alabama. The whole rule change was an absolute disgrace.
 
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What's bad about it, is you can't get a review that's fair sometimes. They either drag their feet and ignore the coach until the next play is snapped or act as if it's inconclusive in the replay. I've seen several that I was shocked at the decisions. I'm talking about games that I could care less either way.
 
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JohnD13 said:
This has been explained A MILLION FREAKING TIMES..

The official in change of the play clock is looking at the clock and at zero he looks at the snap. If the snap has not occurred it is delay of game. If the snap is in process or has already been snapped obviously no penalty. That is how it is done...
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I have seen this called in at least a dozen games.. go watch it.. clock hits zero, snap has not been made.. clock is easily at -1 when he snaps ball.. it is delay of game and loss of down. There is no way around it in any interpretation of the rules.
 
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I'm not sure if I care. If the SEC wants to manipulate what teams get in/get out, then let it happen.

IF it was SEC vs ACC or SEC vs B1G, etc...then I can understand the frustration.
 
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American Pig said:
The second drive of the game last night, Peterman handed to Hurd, Hurd ran for a first down by a yard easy right in front of ref on sideline. Ref moved the ball just short of first, killing the drive and forcing punt. I watched several times on ultra slow motion. I can't see anything justifying spotting that ball back from where he went down.
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I'm not going to conspiracy levels, but I agree 100%, that spot was shabby.
 
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bamawriter said:
On their first offensive play? No, they didn't huddle.
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First, Rogers Redding specifically wrote about this in his rules enforcement memo last year:

"Neither team may use the substitution process as a subterfuge"

His words, on the process of using substitution as trickery, which you admit Bama did.

Also related, From the "COLLEGE FOOTBALL OFFICIATING, LLC - MECHANICS FOR ADMINISTRATION OF SUBSTITUTION RULE":

"If Team A is in a no-huddle formation and substitutes, or if they have already
broken the huddle and a substitute then enters the field, either of these situations will
trigger the administration of Rule 3-5-2-e. Team B is afforded a match up opportunity if
they do so immediately (3 seconds). "

Since, as you say, Bama didn't huddle but DID have a player enter the field during a non-huddle situation, then TN should've been given a chance by the ref to substitute, and those seconds would've given them time to adjust as needed.
 
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