Could the conspiracy theorists be right?

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How about the fair catch the Georgia guy calls but took off running? Then the Florida fair catch where he took off and head butted our guy?
 
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College football is a freight train and the SEC is the engine. Untouchable. Nothing will over come of the article.
 
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I was convinced that Bama should have been penalized for a block in the back last night on the first play from scrimmage, but it was NOT called even though it was readily apparent in real time and on reply. If that had been called back, that changes the complexition of the game.
 
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AshG said:
I had this little gem come into my inbox earlier tonight:

Mike Pereira criticizes SEC officiating, calls for investigation by Mike Slive and Rogers Redding

I've not bought into the conspiracy theorists out there who claim that the refs are instructed to preserve certain teams, but given the number of suspect calls this year for multiple teams in the conference there does need to be an external review and, if necessary, investigation.

I've a friend who officiates for the ACC. He says that the consensus among conference officiating crews is that SEC refs are a joke. I asked him point blank if he thought they were crooked and he declined to answer.

I look forward to seeing where this conversation goes.
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They do seem to favor the higher ranked team. Kentucky beat Florida....no Doubt the game was over before Florida scored their last points.
 
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Regarding when the playclock hits "0", Rocky Goode addressed that. He said the SEC rule is different than the NFL rule. The NFL rule is the whistle blows at "0"....makes sense to me.

The SEC official in charge of watching the playclock looks at the center as the clock is hitting "0" and if the center is moving the ball, the play is allowed to continue. Very subjective, IMO.
 
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AshG said:
I had this little gem come into my inbox earlier tonight:

Mike Pereira criticizes SEC officiating, calls for investigation by Mike Slive and Rogers Redding

I've not bought into the conspiracy theorists out there who claim that the refs are instructed to preserve certain teams, but given the number of suspect calls this year for multiple teams in the conference there does need to be an external review and, if necessary, investigation.

I've a friend who officiates for the ACC. He says that the consensus among conference officiating crews is that SEC refs are a joke. I asked him point blank if he thought they were crooked and he declined to answer.

I look forward to seeing where this conversation goes.
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Indeed...the fix is in. And has been for some time.
 

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Those in the Knoxville area should listen (once), to Sports Talk on the Animal, I think on Mondays. They have Rocky Goode (sp?) on. He's an SEC official. Its truly a joke. I don't care how blatantly bad the call is he never admits it was a bad call. It's a joke that he's on there.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
Those in the Knoxville area should listen (once), to Sports Talk on the Animal, I think on Mondays. They have Rocky Goode (sp?) on. He's an SEC official. Its truly a joke. I don't care how blatantly bad the call is he never admits it was a bad call. It's a joke that he's on there.
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I tend to agree but I always tune in for that segment. He can't really say they blew a call being he's still a booth ref.
 
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I think some officials, sometimes, are subliminally biased--that is, for whatever reason, they find themselves wanting one team to win more than the other, and that sometimes results in bad spots and other bad calls. There might be quite a bit of incompetence also. I've seen quite a lot of bad SEC crews. Some are good, some not.
 
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I40flyer said:
This is a damn serious charge, if true it needs to be stomped on, everyone with any part, or knowledge (and did not speak up) must go, immediately without any compensation whatsoever. This would include any and all on any coaching staff. Again, if true.
On the other hand, this is a damn serious charge, and one that should not be thrown around without Substantial proof, not gut feelings, or they made a couple bad calls etc. This type of charge will reflect on All Schools in the SEC. If there is enough proof to warrant an investigation, I hope UT backs the investigation, to insure a clean program, and, cooperates 110%-thus demonstrating to all, we have a clean program.
Any school not cooperating, or obfuscating in anyway should be denied bowl attendance for a period of at least 5 years, without exception.
A rumor like this can really harm the entire conference-the strongest measures should be taken to either disprove everybit of it, or drop the hammer on it, without mercy.
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The problem is you\we are calling on the guys instructing & overseeing the refs to investigate the refs! They have the perfect auditor auditing the auditors set up! Which is why we see the same thing same teams supported with favorable calls over years and years. Until some body independent of the SEC looks in to this our officials are either corrupt or incompetent, with some of the spot shenanigans I saw in support of Bama against us its massive corruption going on IMO.
 
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Altho I agree the refs were bogus the otger night, its not like they "cheated" becausrr try were worried UT might pull an upset.

I think also the game has sped up so much and seems to be some old refs out there. Sometimes they get a bad rap. That's a flippin tough job that.most of us couldnt do.

But yes the SEC refs have been bad. We need the NFL replacement refs at this point.
 
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I can't remember who but one of you guys suggested a post game presser for the refs.
It would cut down on the BS if they had to answer questions about their calls.
 
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Bad calls are going to happen, it's the human aspect of it. Although there seems to be no accountability with officiating these days, or if so not much.

This couldn't be more true than the NBA. In the NBA in the post game conference you can be fined for just saying there were some calls. I agree with not flipping out on the ref during the game, or completely bashing them day in and day out, but they have made it so that they have no ability to even speak in regards to the refs.

It just hard to watch players put so much effort into the game just to have repeated bad calls, esp when it happens infront of their faces.
 
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AshG said:
I had this little gem come into my inbox earlier tonight:

Mike Pereira criticizes SEC officiating, calls for investigation by Mike Slive and Rogers Redding

I've not bought into the conspiracy theorists out there who claim that the refs are instructed to preserve certain teams, but given the number of suspect calls this year for multiple teams in the conference there does need to be an external review and, if necessary, investigation.

I've a friend who officiates for the ACC. He says that the consensus among conference officiating crews is that SEC refs are a joke. I asked him point blank if he thought they were crooked and he declined to answer.

I look forward to seeing where this conversation goes.
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No answer to the point blank question just smells like all conferences have their favorites to preserve....I guess once we start winning everything we'll be on the receiving end!
 
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Boca Vol said:
I tend to agree but I always tune in for that segment. He can't really say they blew a call being he's still a booth ref.
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Why do they even have him on then? It's pointless just to rubber stamp bad calls. Just infuriates fans that are already riled up. I guess it could clear up the occasional rules issue.
 
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MaxamusXIII said:
I can't remember who but one of you guys suggested a post game presser for the refs.
It would cut down on the BS if they had to answer questions about their calls.
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Regardless they would never admit to making a mistake and if they did what could you do about it after the fact.
They would simply reply that they made the best call based on what they observed.

I'm not taking their side but "clandestine" officiating would be very difficult to prove.
 
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I know more than I should since I had a friend (deceased) that officiated games in the Big 12 for decades. It has been my observation and that of my friend and his colleagues that the SEC was the worst for cronyism and corruption. Period.

If the NCAA was not the same way, the officiating for every game would be controlled by them with random assignments of crews with more centralized training and compensation given to attract the best. But they are just as corrupt. So they let each conference field their own and control it. And this mess is what you get. Until pressure is applied by fans/media/school administrators - nothing will happen to change it.
 
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American Pig said:
The second drive of the game last night, Peterman handed to Hurd, Hurd ran for a first down by a yard easy right in front of ref on sideline. Ref moved the ball just short of first, killing the drive and forcing punt. I watched several times on ultra slow motion. I can't see anything justifying spotting that ball back from where he went down.
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i saw this as well
 
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AshG said:
I had this little gem come into my inbox earlier tonight:

Mike Pereira criticizes SEC officiating, calls for investigation by Mike Slive and Rogers Redding

I've not bought into the conspiracy theorists out there who claim that the refs are instructed to preserve certain teams, but given the number of suspect calls this year for multiple teams in the conference there does need to be an external review and, if necessary, investigation.

I've a friend who officiates for the ACC. He says that the consensus among conference officiating crews is that SEC refs are a joke. I asked him point blank if he thought they were crooked and he declined to answer.

I look forward to seeing where this conversation goes.
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Of course they are. For instance, if Alabama is the top team in the S.E.C. & in the nation and they are playing Vandy. The game is close for some reason. The S.E.C. does not want Alabama to be in a situation to lose to Vandy and lose the # 1 ranking in the nation. So, if a questionable call presents itself, then Alabama will get the call.

A top team in the nation is the S.E.C.'s cash cow so of course they will protect it.

For instance, remember in 2004 when we were playing Auburn in the S.E.C. Championship game? Both Houston & Riggs got long, long runs for T.D.'s but the ref's called both of those t.d.'s back. With those t.d.'s, we win the game & the S.E.C. Championship.

That is just one instance that comes to mind.
 
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Rudy123 said:
Of course they are. For instance, if Alabama is the top team in the S.E.C. & in the nation and they are playing Vandy. The game is close for some reason. The S.E.C. does not want Alabama to be in a situation to lose to Vandy and lose the # 1 ranking in the nation. So, if a questionable call presents itself, then Alabama will get the call.

A top team in the nation is the S.E.C.'s cash cow so of course they will protect it.

For instance, remember in 2004 when we were playing Auburn in the S.E.C. Championship game? Both Houston & Riggs got long, long runs for T.D.'s but the ref's called both of those t.d.'s back. With those t.d.'s, we win the game & the S.E.C. Championship.

That is just one instance that comes to mind.
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Also, in the late 90's I saw Vandy do a q.b. sneak to tie the game against UGA, in Athens. The Vandy q.b. clearly got the T.D. but the ref's said that he didn't. Vandy loses.
 
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Couple things:

I really think this comes down to money. Slive knows if we're not careful the SEC will eat itself because of the level of competition. Any team with 2 losses will not make the playoff and that could easily happen in the SEC. There are millions of $$$ to be lost. While it is very conspiratorial, I think it's very easy to see why some teams could be "protected" by the SEC refs. And, it's obvious that it's happening.

I was at the game Saturday night. Everyone in the stands knew something was up. There is no way it takes that long to call a late hit on UT. Even in the upper deck we could see they were talking with someone on a headset.

The ball placement vs. bama was horrible. We easily lost 3 first downs because of bad ball placement by the refs. I think this may be the sneakiest way the refs have to screw a team. You kill a couple critical drives in a game and you don't have to make bad calls, the team doesn't have a chance.

While Butch is really good about not dissing the refs in press conferences, etc., I'm betting by this point they're probably sick of him. Why? Because every time he chews them out in a game, he's freakin right. He really does make them look inept. He had to remind them of the clock runoff rule at the end of the 1st half of the uf game.

I think everyone agrees we were probably overmatched and had little chance of winning Saturday night, but the reffing problems were glaring and obvious. And, it appears, things are getting worse as the season progresses. I think everyone agrees if we had a decent reffing crew we win the uf game. Which changes the entire complexion of our season and uf's. At this point, I think it is not out of the realm of possibility that the SEC refs would protect a team like bama, who could go to the playoffs and make millions for the SEC, over an unranked opponent like us.

Or, the refs could just be that bad. I'm not sure which scenario is worse.
 
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