Could the conspiracy theorists be right?

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orange parmejohn said:
I guess not an SEC crew, but the non calls for holding in the OU game were almost comical.
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Pretty sure at OU we had an SEC crew on the field but the review team was BIG 12. I assume next year we will have a BIG 12 crew on the field with an SEC review crew.
 
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Coug said:
Wait, you mean like when the refs gave Florida two field goals/point afters clearly after the time ran out on two different games including our own?
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This has been explained A MILLION FREAKING TIMES..

The official in change of the play clock is looking at the clock and at zero he looks at the snap. If the snap has not occurred it is delay of game. If the snap is in process or has already been snapped obviously no penalty. That is how it is done...
 
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Volmorning said:
All I know is CBJ was decidedly NOT happy about the officiating last night. Given the Alabama late substitutions that happened several times last night beginning with the first play from scrimage, it does make one wonder.
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I didn't notice until I read the article last night. It does make one wonder if the SEC is stacking the deck so they can field the best teams in the playoffs. :finger3:

or cover spreads for Vegas
 
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Rudy123 said:
Of course they are. For instance, if Alabama is the top team in the S.E.C. & in the nation and they are playing Vandy. The game is close for some reason. The S.E.C. does not want Alabama to be in a situation to lose to Vandy and lose the # 1 ranking in the nation. So, if a questionable call presents itself, then Alabama will get the call.

A top team in the nation is the S.E.C.'s cash cow so of course they will protect it.

For instance, remember in 2004 when we were playing Auburn in the S.E.C. Championship game? Both Houston & Riggs got long, long runs for T.D.'s but the ref's called both of those t.d.'s back. With those t.d.'s, we win the game & the S.E.C. Championship.

That is just one instance that comes to mind.
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OMG black helicopters everywhere!!!!!!
 
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vavolunteer said:
Couple things:

I really think this comes down to money. Slive knows if we're not careful the SEC will eat itself because of the level of competition. Any team with 2 losses will not make the playoff and that could easily happen in the SEC. There are millions of $$$ to be lost. While it is very conspiratorial, I think it's very easy to see why some teams could be "protected" by the SEC refs. And, it's obvious that it's happening.

I was at the game Saturday night. Everyone in the stands knew something was up. There is no way it takes that long to call a late hit on UT. Even in the upper deck we could see they were talking with someone on a headset.

The ball placement vs. bama was horrible. We easily lost 3 first downs because of bad ball placement by the refs. I think this may be the sneakiest way the refs have to screw a team. You kill a couple critical drives in a game and you don't have to make bad calls, the team doesn't have a chance.

While Butch is really good about not dissing the refs in press conferences, etc., I'm betting by this point they're probably sick of him. Why? Because every time he chews them out in a game, he's freakin right. He really does make them look inept. He had to remind them of the clock runoff rule at the end of the 1st half of the uf game.

I think everyone agrees we were probably overmatched and had little chance of winning Saturday night, but the reffing problems were glaring and obvious. And, it appears, things are getting worse as the season progresses. I think everyone agrees if we had a decent reffing crew we win the uf game. Which changes the entire complexion of our season and uf's. At this point, I think it is not out of the realm of possibility that the SEC refs would protect a team like bama, who could go to the playoffs and make millions for the SEC, over an unranked opponent like us.

Or, the refs could just be that bad. I'm not sure which scenario is worse.
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Heck why play if your not going to call it fair and balanced. This conference is good enough and makes plenty of money, If were not going to be fair to both teams during a game it becomes a JOKE, and more and more people are going to be turned off. They are goons then that care nothing but about the money. Them preaching integrity is a farce. GO VOLS!!!
 
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No doubt they told the refs to screw us over. They were getting away with a bunch of holds. I don't think they missed one call against us.
 
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I suspect they flagged it for a punch, before ejecting our guy talked to replay official (which they technically aren't allowed to) I think it is great that they bent the rule before making a call that would have cost a player the rest of the game.
 
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MSCE09 said:
I suspect they flagged it for a punch, before ejecting our guy talked to replay official (which they technically aren't allowed to) I think it is great that they bent the rule before making a call that would have cost a player the rest of the game.
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Refs announce player ejections over the PA system. The TV broadcast didn't include that, and the announcers made no mention of it. No article I've seen has mentioned a player being ejected.

So what are you basing your suspicion on?

And even if you're right, you think it's great that the refs didn't follow the rules? That is a door you're opening that you can't close. If they can do it once, they can do it all the time. Slippery slope, and all that.
 
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ShoalCreekVol said:
Refs announce player ejections over the PA system. The TV broadcast didn't include that, and the announcers made no mention of it. No article I've seen has mentioned a player being ejected.

So what are you basing your suspicion on?

And even if you're right, you think it's great that the refs didn't follow the rules? That is a door you're opening that you can't close. If they can do it once, they can do it all the time. Slippery slope, and all that.
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They didn't eject. TV said something about a punch in the long delay but never showed it. So I suspect if it happened there was no video of it and the refs decided without video to just call a personal foul and playon
 
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LittleCat said:
In fairness the UK one was so close that the ref probably was looking at ball, looked at clock and saw 0, then by the time he looked right back down it was just snapped about qb almost had it.
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I always thought the ref gets buzzed when the clock runs out. So they have no excuses for this to ever happen unless they are not paying attention.
 
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AshG said:
I've a friend who officiates for the ACC. .
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Pics of him in his uniform holding a sign saying he's your friend, along with a copy of his pay stub showing his position and/or a signed/notorized letter by the ACC commish, or it didn't happen. :)
 
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Well, some former NBA refs have come forward and said their games were crooked. Is it a stretch to think that college football --- with all the money on the line in Vegas might be bought and paid for? The Kiffin late sub stunt happened 5 times that I counted without a delay of game by the officials. One time -- okay he missed it. 5 times? I'm suspicious. Bama ended with the win, but they missed the 17 pt spread, so any Bama betters were big losers, and after that TAMU game, you know everybody was betting on another Bama blowout.
 
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The SEC headquarters has resided in Birmingham, AL for far too long. All the other schools, including Auburn, would agree that a bias towards the Alabama Crimson Tide has long existed. They are their flagship standard. Officiating and rules come from their office. I have no preference for what state it is relocated to. It simply needs to be moved.
 
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LibertyVolance said:
The SEC headquarters has resided in Birmingham, AL for far too long. All the other schools, including Auburn, would agree that a bias towards the Alabama Crimson Tide has long existed. They are their flagship standard. Officiating and rules come from their office. I have no preference for what state it is relocated to. It simply needs to be moved.
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That's never going to happen.
 
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Due to the Potential involvement of professional gamblers/gambling corruption, from within and outside the state, If one could convincingly present a enough evidence, I believe the FBI should investigate. This situation would far outstrip the NCAA's ability to regulate and enforce. What is being alluded to is game "fixing", outcomes both in the W&L column, and to control the spread margins for the sports book gamblers (inside and outside the USA)
As I stated earlier, EVERYONE involved, if proven to be true, should be prosecuted to the fullest extent, schools involved should receive the NCAA "Death penalty". I don't care how big their fan base is or how much money is involved, just ask Texas Football fans about the "Death Penalty". The sport must remain clean. We can never get 100% honesty in all of College football, but we can sure as hell strive to make it such.
I sure hope all of this is just so much hot air, all because some fans, from various schools don't like all the calls made in a few games. But, if a group of "experts" were to review every SEC game, where the outcome would "upset" the apple cart, if it didn't go a certain way. And are able to demonstrate the bad calls are consistent in those games, and at a greater rate than in, let's say "easy win" games, a vigorous investigation should be demanded. And let the ax fall where it may.
 
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AshG said:
I had this little gem come into my inbox earlier tonight:

Mike Pereira criticizes SEC officiating, calls for investigatwion by Mike Slive and Rogers Redding

I've not bought into the conspiracy theorists out there who claim that the refs are instructed to preserve certain teams, but given the number of suspect calls this year for multiple teams in the conference there does need to be an external review and, if necessary, investigation.

I've a friend who officiates for the ACC. He says that the consensus among conference officiating crews is that SEC refs are a joke. I asked him point blank if he thought they were crooked and he declined to answer.

I look forward to seeing where this conversation goes.
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You sure you weren't at lunch with a prominent attorney from the ACC?
 
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I'm not accusing Refs of anything, I am a former referee with 9 years under my belt. However i found it odd that 4 of the refs from Saturdays game reside in Alabama. Again, not saying that has any relevance to their calling. I personally think its gotten worse the last couple of years because the players and the game has gotten so fast, the referees are out of position and can't keep up. A matter of a few feet makes angles completely different and can make a big difference in making a call and spotting the ball.. I've seen terrible spots on the ball this year.

GO VOLS
 
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"Former VP of NFL officiating: SEC referees losing integrity, credibility" "Pereira called out SEC officials for some shady behavior.." "In Alabama’s win at Tennessee on Saturday, Pereira called “bull” again. In the first quarter, Tennessee punted the ball away, and Alabama fielded it with a fair catch. A personal foul was called on the play, after which the officials huddled up. Pereira said it was clear the referees were clearly communicating with someone off the field again, this time about how to enforce the penalty. Pereira said 2:36 of real time elapsed between the end of the play and their official call."
Former VP of NFL officiating: SEC referees losing integrity, credibility
 
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