Dortch: Morphing defense could be UT's calling card this season

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Dallasbowlin said:
While I enjoyed being in the sweet 16 it sucked having to turn the tv up trying to hear martin speak I still have no clue how the players heard him on the sideline
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Lmao, seriously dude? If you're more concerned with the volume of the coach than wins/losses you've got your priorities a bit outta place.

I suppose Tyndall not being able to say the word Vawl properly doesn't bother you the least bit though? Lol
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Lmao, seriously dude? If you're more concerned with the volume of the coach than wins/losses you've got your priorities a bit outta place.

I suppose Tyndall not being able to say the word Vawl properly doesn't bother you the least bit though? Lol
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I'm not concerned with it,just glad I don't have to hear it anymore along with dribble dribble pass contested shot
 
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Dallasbowlin said:
I'm not concerned with it,just glad I don't have to hear it anymore along with dribble dribble pass contested shot
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Like I said, wins/losses are all that matters in this business, I hope that we are in the sweet 16 again within 3 years under Tyndall and never finish worse than 5th in the SEC. Much like Martin's 1st year the Vols are picked towards the bottom of the league, I'm hopeful Tyndall can land a 2nd place SEC finish and have the Vols on the bubble like Martin was able to, hopefully we'll be on the right side of it this time though.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Like I said, wins/losses are all that matters in this business, I hope that we are in the sweet 16 again within 3 years under Tyndall and never finish worse than 5th in the SEC. Much like Martin's 1st year the Vols are picked towards the bottom of the league, I'm hopeful Tyndall can land a 2nd place SEC finish and have the Vols on the bubble like Martin was able to, hopefully we'll be on the right side of it this time though.
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If Tyndall makes the tourney this year would you go as far as to say he done better than Martin ?
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
You can choose to believe this or not, but I feel pretty strongly that if Martin had chosen to return so would Jarnell Stokes, however there were conversations between the 2 and Stokes knew Martin would not be here this season. If Stokes returned we were all but guaranteed to also land Rhett, which would've provided a very good duo in the paint this season.

It's all hypotheticals, but I said last season multiple times, I thought next years squad with a true PG finally coming in and Thompson getting a year under his belt would produce a better record regular season than last years squad and would get a NCAAT bid. It likely wouldn't have packed the scoring punch McRae brought, but the team also wouldn't been much more than 5 deep which would've benefited them.
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Stokes declared for the draft first before Martin had bolted. It would have been the other way around. Martin would have stayed had Stokes stayed! When Stokes declared Martin bolted. Martin was riding that horse to the finish then he was gone. Martin knew he couldn't contend with that roster without Stokes. Tyndall has put us in a much better position than Martin considering there was no Stokes.
 
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Dallasbowlin said:
If Tyndall makes the tourney this year would you go as far as to say he done better than Martin ?
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Absolutely, if Tyndall makes the dance in year 1 he clearly is off to a better start than Martin.

On the flip side, if Tyndall finishes worse than 2nd in the SEC and doesn't have the Vols on the bubble would you go as far as to say he's done a worse job than Martin?
 
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rocky200663 said:
Stokes declared for the draft first before Martin had bolted. It would have been the other way around. Martin would have stayed had Stokes stayed! When Stokes declared Martin bolted. Martin was riding that horse to the finish then he was gone. Martin knew he couldn't contend with that roster without Stokes. Tyndall has put us in a much better position than Martin considering there was no Stokes.
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You may wanna re-read my post as it appears you skipped a few parts. I'm fully aware of the timeline, but Stokes/Martin had been in constant communication and once Martin made the dance he knew he was almost certainly never returning, it was just a matter of which school.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Absolutely, if Tyndall makes the dance in year 1 he clearly is off to a better start than Martin.

On the flip side, if Tyndall finishes worse than 2nd in the SEC and doesn't have the Vols on the bubble would you go as far as to say he's done a worse job than Martin?
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Hard to answer but id say not really given he lost 60% of his roster but if we had some experience I'd say yes
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Absolutely, if Tyndall makes the dance in year 1 he clearly is off to a better start than Martin.

On the flip side, if Tyndall finishes worse than 2nd in the SEC and doesn't have the Vols on the bubble would you go as far as to say he's done a worse job than Martin?
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No. As long as Tyndall doesn't lose to Austin Peay, Coll of Charleston, Oakland and MTSU he will be doing better than Martin.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Absolutely, if Tyndall makes the dance in year 1 he clearly is off to a better start than Martin.

On the flip side, if Tyndall finishes worse than 2nd in the SEC and doesn't have the Vols on the bubble would you go as far as to say he's done a worse job than Martin?
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I'm more concerned with long-term direction than short-term success. If you take Martin's first season and project that trajectory ahead three years, I think it's hard to argue that he greatly improved the program.

So, if Tyndall finishes 5th or 6th in the league in year one, I'm not going to deem him an abject failure. It's a marathon, not a sprint.

To be frank, I'm about as sick of Zo/CDT comparisons as I am of Pearl/Zo comparisons, especially since CDT hasn't coached a single game yet.
 
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Dallasbowlin said:
Do you not agree ?
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You asked me a question and I gave you my thoughts, that street should run both ways. Martin lost almost all the scoring and rebounding off the team he inherited, and fwiw a lot of the free spots Tyndall had to fill were because that's what he wanted, so I'm not as sympathetic as others on that one. Like I said, both of the coaches were picked to finish about the same spot in the SEC in year 1, I hope that Tyndall does as good a job at over achieving and finds himself on the right side of the bubble when Martin did not.
 
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cncchris33 said:
I'm more concerned with long-term direction than short-term success. If you take Martin's first season and project that trajectory ahead three years, I think it's hard to argue that he greatly improved the program.

So, if Tyndall finishes 5th or 6th in the league in year one, I'm not going to deem him an abject failure. It's a marathon, not a sprint.

To be frank, I'm about as sick of Zo/CDT comparisons as I am of Pearl/Zo comparisons, especially since CDT hasn't coached a single game yet.
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So because Martin overachieved year 1, and had similar results year 2 and 3 it's a failure? But if Tyndall were to finish 13th this year, 11th in year 2, and 7th in year 3 while not making a single NCAAT it would be considered an achievement because the trajectory had steadily improved?

Thankfully Friday is Big Orange Madness, and we're <2 weeks out from exhibitions, so the hypotheticals can stop soon and we'll actually have some results to discuss.
 
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Stokes knew he was leaving early for the NBA awhile ago and his former coaches and family in Memphis were not hiding the information.
"I feel like I wasn't able to show all of my skill set", were the words spoken by Stokes to media after he declared and was a big reason why he wanted to take the next step.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
You asked me a question and I gave you my thoughts, that street should run both ways. Martin lost almost all the scoring and rebounding off the team he inherited, and fwiw a lot of the free spots Tyndall had to fill were because that's what he wanted, so I'm not as sympathetic as others on that one. Like I said, both of the coaches were picked to finish about the same spot in the SEC in year 1, I hope that Tyndall does as good a job at over achieving and finds himself on the right side of the bubble when Martin did not.
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Fair enough you have your opinion I have mine lol
 
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Dallasbowlin said:
Fair enough you have your opinion I have mine lol
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Just seems pretty evident by that question how you're trying to spin everything. I'm being objective about it in the simplest form possible, both coaches were picked in a similar spot in year 1, I'm hopeful Tyndall does as well as the other coach did, and maybe wins an extra one or two to sneak us into the dance, it's definitely possible.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Just seems pretty evident by that question how you're trying to spin everything. I'm being objective about it in the simplest form possible, both coaches were picked in a similar spot in year 1, I'm hopeful Tyndall does as well as the other coach did, and maybe wins an extra one or two to sneak us into the dance, it's definitely possible.
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Agreed
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Thankfully Friday is Big Orange Madness, and we're <2 weeks out from exhibitions, so the hypotheticals can stop soon and we'll actually have some results to discuss.
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I agree, tho I doubt it stops the comparisons. Just 6-7 months ago, we still had Bruce/Zo comparisons on a daily basis.

I'm content with letting Bruce worry about Auburn, Zo can worry about Cal, and I'll concern myself with Tennessee and CDT. I'll judge him on his own merits, same as I did Zo before him, and Bruce before that, etc., etc., etc.
 
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cncchris33 said:
I'm more concerned with long-term direction than short-term success. If you take Martin's first season and project that trajectory ahead three years, I think it's hard to argue that he greatly improved the program.

So, if Tyndall finishes 5th or 6th in the league in year one, I'm not going to deem him an abject failure. It's a marathon, not a sprint.

To be frank, I'm about as sick of Zo/CDT comparisons as I am of Pearl/Zo comparisons, especially since CDT hasn't coached a single game yet.
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Sorry Frank, I contributed to the comparison. I haven't seen much of that recently and well it is still the off season.
 
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Lefteye said:
Sorry Frank, I contributed to the comparison. I haven't seen much of that recently and well it is still the off season.
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People are free to discuss what they want. Don't let my displeasure with it stop you. I just think it's silly is all. Both coaches aren't playing from the same deck, and neither were Zo or Bruce.

Sorry if disagreeing with that upsets you. I wasn't calling you (or anyone else specifically) out for it. Not sure why you seem to be semi-hostile about it.
 
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cncchris33 said:
People are free to discuss what they want. Don't let my displeasure with it stop you. I just think it's silly is all. Both coaches aren't playing from the same deck, and neither were Zo or Bruce.

Sorry if disagreeing with that upsets you. I wasn't calling you (or anyone else specifically) out for it. Not sure why you seem to be semi-hostile about it.
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My apologies I thought the use of Frank showed my jest. I'm not upset.
 
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Lefteye said:
My apologies I thought the use of Frank showed my jest. I'm not upset.
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No need. I had a feeling I was misinterpreting because that seemed out of character for you, but you just never know these days. UT sports in general have everyone on edge.
 
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