GOP can't come to concensus on immigration

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Grand Vol said:
The same reason we've been saying all along.

If something was to come up later that was clearly an impeachable offense, the left could (and likely would) point to Boehner and say "Look! He LIED!"

As the old saying goes, never say never.
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If something really came up, an actual crime, no one would balk at it. It's the threat of it because Congress refuses to do anything that is so absurd here.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The original pont was that the GOP couldn't come up with an approach to immigration. That is still absolutely true.

And it is also still the case that the impeachment talk is silly.
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We already have laws on the books regarding immigration , how about we enforce what we've got..
 
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lawgator1 said:
I can't believe I'm the one attacking Boehner here, but at any rate how about this question: " why not just say no, we will not entertain impeachment?"

What's wrong with that ?

And out of curiosity does anybody here REALLY think he deserves to be? I feel like that's so over the top.
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I think most believe you deserve to be beaten w a fly swatter.
 
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lawgator1 said:
I can't believe I'm the one attacking Boehner here, but at any rate how about this question: " why not just say no, we will not entertain impeachment?"

What's wrong with that ?

And out of curiosity does anybody here REALLY think he deserves to be? I feel like that's so over the top.
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He said no plans now or in the future and the thought of it is basically absurd.

You cited Pelosi as an example of leadership on the issue but that argument has crumbled to nothing.

Yet you still persist.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The original pont was that the GOP couldn't come up with an approach to immigration. That is still absolutely true.

And it is also still the case that the impeachment talk is silly.
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You are 100% wrong with this and your OP. The House actually passed an immigration bill (check your OP to see your statement of fact).

The Senate has failed to do so.

You may not like the bill but they did indeed come together and pass one.

You were wrong about the OP and you are wrong about Pelosi and you are wrong about Boehner's statements relative to Pelosi's.

wiff, wiff, wiff
 
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lawgator1 said:
House GOP cancels vote on immigration bill - CNN.com

Going home because they cannot even agree amongst themselves what to do. Boehner sucks.
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Just a reminder of how this thread started.

The House did NOT go home before passing immigration bill (2 in fact). All with Pelosi vowing not to help them whatsoever.

However, the Senate DID go home without addressing the President's request.

My, my, my
 
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lawgator1 said:
The original pont was that the GOP couldn't come up with an approach to immigration. That is still absolutely true.

And it is also still the case that the impeachment talk is silly.
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And it is also the case that you made yourself look ridiculous in this thread. Thus, it is also the case that I smile every time you post in it, and put it right back at the top of the list for people to read.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The original pont was that the GOP couldn't come up with an approach to immigration. That is still absolutely true.

And it is also still the case that the impeachment talk is silly.
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The House voted on a bill...Did the senate?
 
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lawgator1 said:
And out of curiosity does anybody here REALLY think he deserves to be? I feel like that's so over the top.
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I'll tell you what LG, I'll toss the hypothetical situation at you. You've said before you know a little bit about the military, so I'll use that angle...

If you have a Division Commander (or Wing Commander for the Air Farce types) that has the following happen under his command:

1. His investigative unit knowingly sold guns to violent gang members and those same gang members later killed a member of a unit under his command.

2. A member of his staff knowingly sends a representative into a known hostile area with insufficient protection. That representative is later killed along with his security detachment and the Commander continues to tell the same false story about the conditions surrounding it.

3. Another investigative unit runs cases on individuals that may not share both their and their commander's personal or political viewpoints.

4. During an incident that may involve some of the members under his command, he decides to continue with a formal dinner instead of monitoring the situation.

5. Has a unit under his command that demands a 40% reduction in waste while making the same individuals pay for the items necessary to meet that demand.

6. Implements a new regulation and immediately starts changing portions of said regulation because of unrealistic goals and standards. Implements a website that immediately fails and it comes to light the owner of the company that designed the website happened to be a classmate of his wife.

7. Has a member of his staff perjure himself in front of a panel of his peers.

8. Has yet another investigative unit that monitors the personal communications of the members under his command in violation of the 4th Amendment.

9. Has a base hospital that lies about treatment of wounded members and makes them wait months for treatment of serious illnesses.

10. And last but certainly not least, overspends his budget six consecutive years in a row. This actually might not apply since there hasn't been an approved budget in six years.

Now you will notice in each of the ten items I just listed the commander himself is not directly involved in any of them. But each and every one happened under his tenure of command. At best that commander would be relieved and forced to retire. At worst, a courts martial for dereliction of duty.

And is this the kind of man you want leading troops into battle?
 
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Grand Vol said:
I'll tell you what LG, I'll toss the hypothetical situation at you. You've said before you know a little bit about the military, so I'll use that angle...

If you have a Division Commander (or Wing Commander for the Air Farce types) that has the following happen under his command:

1. His investigative unit knowingly sold guns to violent gang members and those same gang members later killed a member of a unit under his command.

2. A member of his staff knowingly sends a representative into a known hostile area with insufficient protection. That representative is later killed along with his security detachment and the Commander continues to tell the same false story about the conditions surrounding it.

3. Another investigative unit runs cases on individuals that may not share both their and their commander's personal or political viewpoints.

4. During an incident that may involve some of the members under his command, he decides to continue with a formal dinner instead of monitoring the situation.

5. Has a unit under his command that demands a 40% reduction in waste while making the same individuals pay for the items necessary to meet that demand.

6. Implements a new regulation and immediately starts changing portions of said regulation because of unrealistic goals and standards. Implements a website that immediately fails and it comes to light the owner of the company that designed the website happened to be a classmate of his wife.

7. Has a member of his staff perjure himself in front of a panel of his peers.

8. Has yet another investigative unit that monitors the personal communications of the members under his command in violation of the 4th Amendment.

9. Has a base hospital that lies about treatment of wounded members and makes them wait months for treatment of serious illnesses.

10. And last but certainly not least, overspends his budget six consecutive years in a row. This actually might not apply since there hasn't been an approved budget in six years.

Now you will notice in each of the ten items I just listed the commander himself is not directly involved in any of them. But each and every one happened under his tenure of command. At best that commander would be relieved and forced to retire. At worst, a courts martial for dereliction of duty.

And is this the kind of man you want leading troops into battle?
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And in a misplaced effort to curry public favor during the heat of all of this, trades important terrorist POWs in trade for a military deserter who may well have joined the terrorist group.

Let's not forget that...
 
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Orange_Crush said:
And in a misplaced effort to curry public favor during the heat of all of this, trades important terrorist POWs in trade for a military deserter who may well have joined the terrorist group.

Let's not forget that...
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10 was enough. Actually, I'd say any of the five on that list would be enough to get a commander relieved.
 
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lawgator1 said:
And out of curiosity does anybody here REALLY think he deserves to be? I feel like that's so over the top.
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No. His known actions have not approached impeachment level. Congress should man up and use the legislative tools available to them to push back. Unfortunately, Dems have rolled over and yielded their power to someone they really don't support. Likewise, the GOP isn't willing to face the heat of legislative tactics (purse strings) that might reign him in.

In the end, Obama has no interest in working with Congress unless they rubber stamp his agenda. He is the absolute worst POTUS I can recall with regard to seeking a working relationship with Congress. Likewise, this is the worst Congress I can recall in terms of seeking solutions to problems rather than short term political gain.

If he had knowledge of and did not stop or even indirectly caused the IRS actions then he should definitely be impeached and removed from office.
 
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Grand Vol said:
10 was enough. Actually, I'd say any of the five on that list would be enough to get a commander relieved.
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Relieving a commander of duty and impeaching an elected POTUS are 2 very different things.

What McChrystal did was sufficient to see him relieved of duty but was nowhere near an impeachable offense.
 
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volinbham said:
Relieving a commander of duty and impeaching an elected POTUS are 2 very different things.

What McChrystal did was sufficient to see him relieved of duty but was nowhere near an impeachable offense.
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I see it as the same. Both are responsible for the conduct of the individuals under their "command" and show a distinct lack of effective leadership at stopping them. Either they are complicit in the actions themselves or so ineffective they cannot put a stop to the illegal actions of their subordinates.

As Harry said, the buck stops there.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I see it as the same. Both are responsible for the conduct of the individuals under their "command" and show a distinct lack of effective leadership at stopping them. Either they are complicit in the actions themselves or so ineffective they cannot put a stop to the illegal actions of their subordinates.

As Harry said, the buck stops there.
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Obama already spent that buck and had to find out about it in the news media.
 
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volinbham said:
No. His known actions have not approached impeachment level. Congress should man up and use the legislative tools available to them to push back. Unfortunately, Dems have rolled over and yielded their power to someone they really don't support. Likewise, the GOP isn't willing to face the heat of legislative tactics (purse strings) that might reign him in.

In the end, Obama has no interest in working with Congress unless they rubber stamp his agenda. He is the absolute worst POTUS I can recall with regard to seeking a working relationship with Congress. Likewise, this is the worst Congress I can recall in terms of seeking solutions to problems rather than short term political gain.

If he had knowledge of and did not stop or even indirectly caused the IRS actions then he should definitely be impeached and removed from office.
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^^^^^^^ Best post in thread ^^^^^^
 
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And of course, none of the other media outlets will report this:

Suspects in murder of Border Patrol agent arrested and deported numerous times | Fox News

Two illegal immigrants from Mexico who were charged with first-degree murder in the shooting death of an off-duty U.S. Border Patrol agent in front of his family in Texas have been arrested and deported numerous times, police sources told FoxNews.com.

One suspect has been arrested no fewer than four times for entering the U.S. illegally, according to federal court records. The other has been deported twice after entering the U.S. illegally, sources said.
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