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Abe Hoffman said:
Desalinization is very expensive . . . however, the Navy spends money like a drunken sailor.
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Bart never answered the question, what is more expensive, updating California's water infrastructure to modern standards, or giving up on agriculture in a state that produces more than most European countries?
 
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MG1968 said:
Bart never answered the question, what is more expensive, updating California's water infrastructure to modern standards, or giving up on agriculture in a state that produces more than most European countries?
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Why are you addressing this to me? Ask Bart.
 
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Abe Hoffman said:
Why are you addressing this to me? Ask Bart.
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Bart is unable to answer a straightforward question without resorting to pedantic talking points. Yes, desalination is expensive, but how else can California's water crisis be fixed?

Bart suggested that agriculture as an industry should be scrapped in California.
 
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MG1968 said:
Bart is unable to answer a straightforward question without resorting to pedantic talking points. Yes, desalination is expensive, but how else can California's water crisis be fixed?

Bart suggested that agriculture as an industry should be scrapped in California.
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They could try...
 

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#3,381
Abe Hoffman said:
Desalinization is very expensive . . . however, the Navy spends money like a drunken sailor.
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Not the same kind of equipment. Desalination plants use reverse osmosis and Navy ships use distillation units. Distillation units are even more expensive than desalination units but the Navy has a 30 year reactor on board.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Looking forward to some sub-80 July temps here in Chattanooga tomorrow.
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Had I known global warming would feel this incredible in July, I would have kept my dad's old coal burner stove and used it frequently just to do my part.
 
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McDad said:
Had I known global warming would feel this incredible in July, I would have kept my dad's old coal burner stove and used it frequently just to do my part.
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This cool weather has got my neck swoll up.

( for you city boys, a deer neck will swell while in rut- breeding)
 
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A few interesting tidbits this evening:
1. As of July 28th, It has been the coldest year since 1979 in Memphis, Jackson, TN, Tupelo, and Jonesboro.
2. Jonesboro, AR and Jackson, TN should easily break the record for coldest July this year. Tupelo, MS will be really close.
3. Memphis is currently experiencing the 7th coldest July on record but the last few days might bump us into the top 5.

This looks like a good thread to put this in... Ahh, I am loving this weather guys.
 
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MG1968 said:
Bart never answered the question, what is more expensive, updating California's water infrastructure to modern standards, or giving up on agriculture in a state that produces more than most European countries?
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MG1968 said:
Bart is unable to answer a straightforward question without resorting to pedantic talking points. Yes, desalination is expensive, but how else can California's water crisis be fixed?

Bart suggested that agriculture as an industry should be scrapped in California.
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Why the itchy britches cap’n? You didn’t answer my last question either, nor did you ‘do the math’. So is or isn’t infrastructure a partisan issue, ya dirty libtard?

Anyway I thought my position was pretty clear. As water becomes increasingly scarce and expensive there, agriculture in the desert will go the way of the dinosaurs. It’s happening already – this year Cali lost about $2.2 billion, 17,000 jobs, and 428,000 acres of farmland to the drought.

Desalination is no doubt part of the future, but no amount of desalination plants (no matter how outrageous the number - 'do the math') will stop the decline of agriculture there. If and when traditional water sources become as expensive as desalination, irrigating the desert will no longer be economically feasible. Expect to pay out the ass for winter produce well before then.

In related news:
Unprecedented California Drought Restrictions Go Into Effect
Lake Mead Before and After the Epic Drought

By the way, thoroughly enjoyed your links. I wish I knew Spanish or whatever freaky deaky Venezuelan so I could read that Margarita declaration… The Naomi Oreskes article was actually very insightful.
 
#3,393
#3,393
For all you amateur weathermen:

The World Just Had Its Hottest June On Record

WASHINGTON (AP) — The globe is on a hot streak, setting a heat record in June. That's after the world broke a record in May.

The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration announced Monday that last month's average global temperature was 61.2 degrees, which is 1.3 degrees higher than the 20th century average. It beat 2010's old record by one-twentieth of a degree.

While one-twentieth of a degree doesn't sound like much, in temperature records it's like winning a horse race by several lengths, said NOAA climate monitoring chief Derek Arndt.

And that's only part of it. The world's oceans not only broke a monthly heat record at 62.7 degrees, but it was the hottest the oceans have been on record no matter what the month, Arndt said.
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Golly gee willikers, the world really is bigger than Tennessee!
 
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Last link dump of the night:

White House Report: The Cost of Delaying Action to Stem Climate Change
The White House today released a new report that examines the economic consequences of delaying action to stem climate change. The report finds that delaying policy actions by a decade increases total mitigation costs by approximately 40 percent, and failing to take any action would risk substantial economic damage. These findings emphasize the need for policy action today.
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A carbon tax that's good for business?

By law, British Columbia must return every dollar of carbon tax raised back to British Columbians, by lowering other taxes. This is called a “tax shift” or “tax swap,” where one tax is cut and then replaced by another. In this case, taxes are “shifted” away from what you might call “prosperity taxes” – like taxes on income and payroll – to taxes on pollution, like carbon. In economic terms, “bads” are taxed instead of “goods.” The revenue raised in carbon taxes, the more prosperity taxes are cut.

In fact, British Columbia’s carbon tax has turned out to be revenue negative, cutting more in prosperity taxes than it’s raising in pollution taxes. This has enabled the province to have the lowest personal income tax rate in Canada and one of the lowest corporate tax rates in North America.

In practical terms, this means British Columbians take home more money from their paycheck compared with before the tax, and businesses face lower taxes, too. Obviously a portion of this increased income goes to pay for higher energy prices and goods, but this arrangement gives consumers and businesses the choice about how to spend that money. By choosing relatively less carbon-intensive goods and energy, consumers and businesses net more money than before.

Most people end up ahead, with more disposable income to spend in the economy or to save for big purchases. The market chooses clean-economy winners, not the government. And the market sends a signal to innovate, to find ways to be more productive with energy inputs. In essence, British Columbia is pioneering a tax system that encourages innovation, not one that punishes it. Innovation creates value, and value – not economic stimulus – leads to lasting economic prosperity.
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