IRS admits to targeting Conservative groups

[AirVol]

According to lg, if you happen to work for Fox News anywhere around this country, you're a GOP agent or an official &/or an operative and most likely a racist.

fyp

 

[Weezer]

Who the hell always likes lg's posts? Is there a lurker that just follows him around just so he can give each and everyone of his posts a "like"? No matter how outrageous he gets, he always gets at least one like. Is he paying one of you guys or what?

 

[Grand Vol]

Is he paying one of you guys or what?

$10.10 an hour, just like the minimum wage his lib buddies want to pass.

 

[W.TN.Orange Blood]

Who the hell always likes lg's posts? Is there a lurker that just follows him around just so he can give each and everyone of his posts a "like"? No matter how outrageous he gets, he always gets at least one like. Is he paying one of you guys or what?

:loco: It's been said before on here that he signs into VN using a different screen name so he can go back to "like" the original "LG" likes.

 

[82_VOL_83]

Insurance does not infringe. It enhances.

IDs don't infringe they enhance. The only difference in the two ideas is that ids to vote are free, the insurance levels that you speak of would make gun ownership unaffordable for most Americans. And therein lies the rub. You are interested in nothing more than insurance litigation to line your money grubbing pockets. Try again troll.

 

[Ernest T. Vol]

If a Independent SPECIAL PROSECUTOR is not appointed very soon, then Impeachment proceedings should begin against Obama. And the democrats called Nixon a crook?

This article from Nixon's impeachment:

Article 2: Abuse of Power:

1) He has, acting personally and through his subordinated and agents, endeavored to obtain from the Internal Revenue Service, in violation of the constitutional rights of citizens, confidential information contained in income tax returns for purposes not authorized by law, and to cause, in violation of the constitutional rights of citizens, income tax audits or other income tax investigation to be initiated or conducted in a discriminatory manner

Nixon's other articles are eerily similar as well. However, there are no Woodwards and Bernsteins doing their job as in 1973. The press is in collusion.

 

[Orange_Crush]

This article from Nixon's impeachment:

Article 2: Abuse of Power:

1) He has, acting personally and through his subordinated and agents, endeavored to obtain from the Internal Revenue Service, in violation of the constitutional rights of citizens, confidential information contained in income tax returns for purposes not authorized by law, and to cause, in violation of the constitutional rights of citizens, income tax audits or other income tax investigation to be initiated or conducted in a discriminatory manner

Nixon's other articles are eerily similar as well. However, there are no Woodwards and Bernsteins doing their job as in 1973. The press is in collusion.

Yes. 'Deep Throat' has a completely different context this time around.

 

[Sandvol]

Actual evidence of that, please, or stfu.

Aren't we reasonable people Mr. Litigator? Actual evidence is a very broad term. You do understand the concept of mathematical probabilities? Surely the probability of not only one but seven independent non backed-up government hard drives crashing and losing unique data critical to an inquiry is something a reasonable person would understand? The odds of something like that happening unintentionally have to be pretty astronomical. Wouldn't you agree? Certainly this meets the standard of beyond a reasonable doubt.

 

[lawgator1]

Aren't we reasonable people Mr. Litigator? Actual evidence is a very broad term. You do understand the concept of mathematical probabilities? Surely the probability of not only one but seven independent non backed-up government hard drives crashing and losing unique data critical to an inquiry is something a reasonable person would understand? The odds of something like that happening unintentionally have to be pretty astronomical. Wouldn't you agree? Certainly this meets the standard of beyond a reasonable doubt.

Now you are making up facts and mischaracterizing others. First, there are 90,000 employees at the IRS. Six computers crashed. Second, your characterization of this as involving "unique data critical to an inquiry" is about the biggest overstatement I've read here, and that is saying a lot. When the story broke, even the hard right bloggers named only one person, a secretary. No one has claimed these other folks had "critical" information.

So, as usual, we see use by the far right on this topic of rhetorical false equivalencies, hyperbole, speculation and supposition, and leaps of logic claiming things are fact, when they are wannabe guesses, and poor ones at that.

 

[FLVOL69]

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[CountVolcula]

Those emails aren't lost

We use software developed by the Feds to scan HDs all the time for search warrants on child porn, etc..

They can be recovered. Most emails backups are redundant in the first place. Just in case they ever need to recover them.

To just say they are lost is laughable

 

[lawgator1]

Those emails aren't lost

We use software developed by the Feds to scan HDs all the time for search warrants on child porn, etc..

They can be recovered. Most emails backups are redundant in the first place. Just in case they ever need to recover them.

To just say they are lost is laughable

Well then, that should solve the problem.

 

[CountVolcula]

Well then, that should solve the problem.

The issue is can they subpoena those email records and if the IRS refuses, would they be granted a search warrant for the computer(s) Lerner used?

Its really not fair that your average citizen can be subjected to government abuse, and I mean by both parties, yet we have no recourses against them.

That's when you know that our government has gotten to big for its britches

 

[37L1]

The issue is can they subpoena those email records and if the IRS refuses, would they be granted a search warrant for the computer(s) Lerner used?

Its really not fair that your average citizen can be subjected to government abuse, and I mean by both parties, yet we have no recourses against them.

That's when you know that our government has gotten to big for its britches

They "recycled" her hard drive, I bet no one knows where it went and if they do, it will no longer be there.

Bet me.

Pulp Fiction - The Wolf - YouTube

 

[Sandvol]

Now you are making up facts and mischaracterizing others. First, there are 90,000 employees at the IRS. Six computers crashed. Second, your characterization of this as involving "unique data critical to an inquiry" is about the biggest overstatement I've read here, and that is saying a lot. When the story broke, even the hard right bloggers named only one person, a secretary. No one has claimed these other folks had "critical" information.

So, as usual, we see use by the far right on this topic of rhetorical false equivalencies, hyperbole, speculation and supposition, and leaps of logic claiming things are fact, when they are wannabe guesses, and poor ones at that.

Who's making up facts? Here are the seven employees who are interconnected at the IRS and not just seven random people like you imply:

Lois Lerner: Lerner was the Washington-based head of the IRS Exempt Organizations division until her recent resignation. Lerner originally apologized in May 2013 for targeting conservative groups, but later attested to her innocence and repeatedly pleaded the Fifth at House Oversight hearings. The House of Representatives voted in May to hold Lerner in contempt of Congress. New IRS commissioner John Koskinen testified that nobody at the IRS tried to extract any emails from a six-month backup disk after Lerner’s computer hard drive allegedly crashed in June 2011. Lerner’s hard drive was “recycled.” Lerner and her attorney husband Michael Miles live on a $2.4 million property in Bethesda, Maryland.

Nikole Flax, former chief of staff to IRS commissioner Steven Miller: Flax was a busy bureaucrat during her tenure at the IRS, where she worked for Lerner in the exempt organizations division among other roles. Flax made 31 visits to the White House between July 12, 2010 and May 8, 2013, according to White House visitor logs. Flax’s visits started in the early days of the IRS targeting program and ended just two days before the IRS scandal broke on May 10, 2013. Flax met twice in the Eisenhower Executive Office Building with Jeanne Lambrew, a top adviser to President Obama who exchanged confidential information on conservative groups with Lerner.

Flax previously worked at the Joint Committee on Taxation as a legislative counsel, but left about six years ago, sources told TheDC. Flax attended Louisiana State University. She is married to Ryan H. Flax, a litigation consultant at the Washington firm A2L Consulting and a former intellectual property lawyer at the major D.C. law firm Dickstein Shapiro. The couple live in Chevy Chase, Maryland. Reached by phone, Ryan Flax declined to comment for this report, telling TheDC that he is “not really a part of this [controversy].”

Michelle Eldridge, IRS national media relations chief: This 23-year IRS veteran was tasked with defending the IRS when it came under scrutiny in 2012 for whistleblower reprisal from its inspector general and from Republican Sen. Chuck Grassley, who Lerner tried to target, and when it was revealed in 2013 that the agency leaked confidential information on conservative groups to the liberal nonprofit ProPublica. Eldridge visited the White House on March 22, 2010, to meet with Vice President Joe Biden’s scheduling director Alex Hornbrook.

“Eldridge leads the IRS’ national media relations office to provide public information on key announcements and tax law changes, including new health care tax law implications and recovery act provisions,” according to a speaker bio. “As chief, national media relations, she manages the day-to-day issuance of news releases and guidance drops, handles national media inquiries, and implements communication and media strategies for key IRS initiatives, such as offshore tax compliance and the Return Preparer Initiative.”

Kimberly Kitchens, agent: Kitchens, who donated to President Obama’s 2012 campaign, worked in the IRS Exempt Organizations Rulings and Agreements office in Cincinnati in 2012, according to IRS documents. The IRS’ plague of computer crashes, therefore, was not merely confined to Washington, D.C., but also ensnared the Cincinnati office that Lerner oversaw and initially tried to blame the entire scandal on.

Nancy Heagney, agent: Another Cincinnati-based Exempt Organizations official that worked under Lerner.

Julie Chen, agent: Chen is another Exempt Organizations official, according to IRS documents.

Tyler Chumny, supervisory agent: After some confusion as to the identity of Tyler Chumney, a source informed us that he served as a Cincinnati-based contact person on at least one tax-exempt decision letter signed by Lerner.

 

[Ernest T. Vol]

^ Over 24 people in Nixon's cabinet and admin were convicted and/or went to jail. Your list may be a good start for the Obama admin perps.

 

[Sandvol]

They "recycled" her hard drive, I bet no one knows where it went and if they do, it will no longer be there.

Bet me.

Pulp Fiction - The Wolf - YouTube

I bet you that somewhere there are copies of some of those emails. And, they will eventually surface.

 

[Grand Vol]

I bet you that somewhere there are copies of some of those emails. And, they will eventually surface.

If I was to put on my tin foil, I would believe those emails probably did or do exist somewhere, but the fact they are in the upper reaches of the Administration means they will never come out.

However, someone did a good job of covering their tracks. And being that the American people are buying this "my dog ate my hard drive" bit and the rest of the media isn't covering it, those emails are gone. Shredded, electronically destroyed and no trace of anything going past Lehrner.

I don't think the truth will never come out and it will be debated forever who those emails went to outside of the IRS and what actions they outlined.

 

[MontereyVol]

They need to subpoena the exchange administrators and have an IT guy ask them questions.

 

[hog88]

They need to subpoena the exchange administrators and have an IT guy ask them questions.

That would take an entity with power to indict offer immunities and make deals, like a special prosecutor.

 

[Ernest T. Vol]

If I was to put on my tin foil, I would believe those emails probably did or do exist somewhere, but the fact they are in the upper reaches of the Administration means they will never come out.

However, someone did a good job of covering their tracks. And being that the American people are buying this "my dog ate my hard drive" bit and the rest of the media isn't covering it, those emails are gone. Shredded, electronically destroyed and no trace of anything going past Lehrner.

I don't think the truth will never come out and it will be debated forever who those emails went to outside of the IRS and what actions they outlined.

Enough time hasn't gone by yet. Someone will disclose and these nuts will begin to crack. I am afraid the country will be faced with an impeachment dilemma that will be very ugly (the IRS issue is only one item). The articles for Nixon set a precedent that cant be ignored. The backdrop will be cries of racism, etc. I fear troubled times ahead.

 

[Grand Vol]

Enough time hasn't gone by yet. Someone will disclose and these nuts will begin to crack. I am afraid the country will be faced with an impeachment dilemma that will be very ugly (the IRS issue is only one item). The articles for Nixon set a precedent that cant be ignored. The backdrop will be cries of racism, etc. I fear troubled times ahead.

I personally believe the problem that we face is that the recipients of those emails are so entrenched within the Administration that the nuts won't come out. They owe their loyalty to those in power and anything that would upset that paradigm can't come to light.

It's one thing if the problem was ideological and people still had honor that were willing to do the right thing (like the AG during Watergate). It's another problem entirely when those in power stand to lose everything.

 

[Ernest T. Vol]

I personally believe the problem that we face is that the recipients of those emails are so entrenched within the Administration that the nuts won't come out. They owe their loyalty to those in power and anything that would upset that paradigm can't come to light.

It's one thing if the problem was ideological and people still had honor that were willing to do the right thing (like the AG during Watergate). It's another problem entirely when those in power stand to lose everything.

I think the disclosures could come from people not directly involved. Third party whistle blower IT types that will see it as their duty.

 

[Grand Vol]

I think the disclosures could come from people not directly involved. Third party whistle blower IT types that will see it as their duty.

With a government that tracks as much electronically as they do, it's not hard to find a few sympathetic to the cause to search and eliminate those emails.

Like the Nixon tapes, those emails will never come out.

 

[MontereyVol]

I think the disclosures could come from people not directly involved. Third party whistle blower IT types that will see it as their duty.

Contractors will roll over on government employees and would probably enjoy doing so.