ISIS Takes Control of Mosul

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Btw volprof- Oklahomans east of Oklahoma City consider themselves southern. And they act the part. They just don't have the accent we tennesseans have. Now out west in the panhandle, that's an entirely different breed of folks.
 
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I'm just gonna sit here and absorb all the military knowledge that GV and TRUT want to feed us. It's really interesting stuff.
 
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alexmanu said:
War in Afghanistan

5 December 2006: British Marine Private Jonathan Wigley's death was caused by gunfire from a U.S. F-18 aircraft.

July 2007: British Guardsman Matthew Lyne-Pirkis, of the Grenadier Guards, was wounded along with three other allied soldiers of the Afghan National Army after being hit by gunfire from a U.S. Apache helicopter gunship.

23 August 2007: A bomb dropped by an F-15 killed three soldiers of the Royal Anglian Regiment and wounded a further two.

21 December 2009: A British soldier was fatally shot by a US helicopter crew in Afghanistan who thought they were attacking an enemy base. Gunfire from the helicopters left 11 injured on the ground.

Iraq War

23 March 2003: A British Tornado jet was shot down by a U.S. Patriot missile, killing two crewmen.

28 March 2003: British Lance-Corporal of Horse Matty Hull was killed by U.S. A-10 jets as well as five others wounded in the 190th Fighter Squadron, Blues and Royals friendly fire incident.

6 April 2003: BBC World Affairs Editor John Simpson and members of his crew were injured when a bomb dropped from a U.S. F-15 aircraft hit a friendly Kurdish and U.S. Special Forces convoy, killing 15 people, including BBC translator Kamaran Abdurazaq Muhamed


The reason wasn't that your are just ****ing better, it was that you are just ****ing richer.
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Just shut up and be thankful for all of the European lives SAVED by US Airmen.
 
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hog88 said:
Just shut up and be thankful for all of the European lives SAVED by US Airmen.
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Hey, let's all lighten' up on Alex. He's a patriot, and I pity the man who isn't. Further, although we've had our "run-ins," so to speak, I consider us Americans and Brits to be good friends.
 
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Obsessed said:
Btw volprof- Oklahomans east of Oklahoma City consider themselves southern. And they act the part. They just don't have the accent we tennesseans have. Now out west in the panhandle, that's an entirely different breed of folks.
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So what you're really trying to tell me is that Oklahoma City should have the "Arch"?
 
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PKT_VOL said:
There is a really gruesome video out there (too gruesome to post here) of ISIS riding up and down the highway machine gunning anybody they see.

Totally random, senseless murder. These guys are pure evil.
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Not sure if its the same video, but I just saw part of an hour-long propaganda film they have.

I don't know how anyone with a soul would want to be a part of such an outfit. It's not religion driving that kind of behavior. Not sure what it is.
 
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therealUT said:
There are plenty of colorblind pilots in the Army, Navy, and Air Force. Pilots and aspiring pilots have been memorizing the same dot-pattern plates for generations.
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I'm still waiting on his definition of colorblind. Google must have gone off line across the pond.
 
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alexmanu said:
No, I'm comparing the pilots both of which (Red Arrows and Blue Angels) are of phenomenal quality.
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No, you aren't comparing, you are just blindly calling them equal. Your Red Arrows wouldn't qualify for a Blue Angel or T-Bird (Thunderbird) slot. Additionally, the fact that you are discussing them (RA's) is insulting to them to begin with. I am sure that the RAF can function just fine without your support (or lack thereof).
 
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alexmanu said:
Well I'm going to have to respectfully disagree. BTW the numbers game point is irrelevant because the size of the USAF and RAF is in proportion with population size and so the ability to be selective is equal for both air forces.

Better equipment and training facilities is probably true but there isn't a huge chasm between the RAF and USAF in this regard and equipment doesn't dictate the quality of a pilot.

Also in terms of the US no NEEDING allies, that is true but when it really comes down to it the UK and any other nuclear armed nation doesn't NEED allies if it came down to it.
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Wrong, wrong, wrong, really wrong, and wrong.

Bolded statement is absolute BS.
 
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alexmanu said:
Yes it is but it counters TRUT's point. He's blinded by nationalism believing that US pilots are generally better than all others. This is patently false there are elite pilots in many many nations, including the USAF and RAF, and the idea that the USAF controlled most aerial operations in recent wars because they were "better" is an absurd assertion. It was because the US military forces had the most invested in each war and control of most operations hence they would obviously have the majority of aerial roles. It had nothing to do with air force quality. The USAF is one of the best in the world but there are many other air forces (especially allied ones) that can do a damn good job too.
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The ONLY pilots that I would be concerned about facing as a USAF driver are the Israeli's. Those guys can fly AND fight. They are absolutely fearless and pretty much fly the wings off anything they get into.
 
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therealUT said:
This is one hell of a red herring. Kudos on that.

Better does not mean perfect, and, well, war is pretty ****ing foggy (something you would not know, of course).

And, yes, there are friendly-fire events concerning British pilots as well.

As for the 'richer not better' line of reasoning, that is asinine. As much as the higher-ups like to play politics, they are still going to send in the very best men to do the job, especially when that job concerns supporting troops on the ground. The fact is that the US was repeatedly chosen to do that job. If two air support units were available, one US and one UK, the US was going to support the TIC first every damn time, whether the troops in contact were American or British.

This isn't a patriotic, mine is bigger than yours thing. It's a ****ing truth: the pilots in the USAF are the very best in the world. Now, if you want to argue which infantry is better, that of the US or that of the Brits, I'll gladly listen. The responsiveness of the US Army Infantry to unexpected conditions is incredibly slow; TTPs are slowly developed and slowly implemented. On the other hand, the British are not as encumbered by concrete tactical doctrine, they respond quickly, and implement more creative solutions on the ground.

But, when it comes to airpower and the individual prowess of the pilots, the argument that the Brits are even in the same league is absolutely inane.
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f'ing /post line.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
The ONLY pilots that I would be concerned about facing as a USAF driver are the Israeli's. Those guys can fly AND fight. They are absolutely fearless and pretty much fly the wings off anything they get into.
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You'd fear the Israeli Air Force over the RAF in one to one dogfights? The same airforce that uses the F-15 as their air superiority fighter? LOL the Eurofighter Typhoon is a different level up there with the F-22 and F-35 (minus the vectoring).
 
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alexmanu said:
You'd fear the Israeli Air Force over the RAF in one to one dogfights? The same airforce that uses the F-15 as their air superiority fighter? LOL the Eurofighter Typhoon is a different level up there with the F-22 and F-35 (minus the vectoring).
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The Typhoon is a generation 4.5 fighter while the F-35 and F-22 are 5th Generation. It doesn't have the stealth capabilities to be on par with those two.

And it's sold so well around the world when competing against US designs...
 
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Grand Vol said:
The Typhoon is a generation 4.5 fighter while the F-35 and F-22 are 5th Generation. It doesn't have the stealth capabilities to be on par with those two.

And it's sold so well around the world when competing against US designs...
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True, it has been said to be pretty much on par with the F22 in simulated dogfights but I get your point. The UK will be slowly phasing it out for the F-35 anyway in the next decade. In any case the Typhoon is more capable than an F-15 in air-to-air which was my initial point.
 
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Grand Vol said:
The Typhoon is a generation 4.5 fighter while the F-35 and F-22 are 5th Generation. It doesn't have the stealth capabilities to be on par with those two.

And it's sold so well around the world when competing against US designs...
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Since you're an Air Force guy, I'm curious: what do you consider the best fighter/interceptor/whatever the hell you want to call it per generation/time period? In other words, for its time, which craft do you consider historically the best or at least the most capable (if never really provided the opportunity to prove itself)?

Spitfire? P-51? Messerschmitt (particularly the late jet model)? Any of the Migs or Sukhois? F-16?
 
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And I guess I would be remiss if I didn't throw the F-14 in there as well.

Edit: Oh, and I'm referring to Air Force, Navy, and Marines birds. Across the board. And any nation.
 
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So as not to forget the thread topic, ISIS is currently claiming they have executed 1700 Iraqi soldiers/govt. personnel. I'm sure that's a bit hyperbolic, but I don't doubt they've murdered very many. Makes me sick just thinking about it.
 
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volprof said:
So as not to forget the thread topic, ISIS is currently claiming they have executed 1700 Iraqi soldiers/govt. personnel. I'm sure that's a bit hyperbolic, but I don't doubt they've murdered very many. Makes me sick just thinking about it.
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As I've said before, bomb 'em.
 
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alexmanu said:
You'd fear the Israeli Air Force over the RAF in one to one dogfights? The same airforce that uses the F-15 as their air superiority fighter? LOL the Eurofighter Typhoon is a different level up there with the F-22 and F-35 (minus the vectoring).
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Last statement is absolute BS. I can't state that clearly enough. The Israelis would kick RAF butt. You need to stay put of this fight. You don't know who you are talking to.
 
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