ISIS Takes Control of Mosul

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So the SAS is better than our rangers,seals,force recon,etc?

I just watched "lone survivor" and I must say, navy seals are some bad ass dudes. I can't imagine there being any person tougher/stronger than that.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Unfortunately flying CAS, even with modern munitions, is still a dangerous arena. Especially in a place like Afghanistan where missions are often flown danger close.

Great strides in recent years have been able to help with the Blue on Blue casualties, but things like this will still happen.
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It is impossible to avoid collateral damage. It's unfortunate, but true.
 
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Obsessed said:
So the SAS is better than our rangers,seals,force recon,etc?

I just watched "lone survivor" and I must say, navy seals are some bad ass dudes. I can't imagine there being any person tougher/stronger than that.
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Is that the show were they compete against one another in various heats? Or is it the one were they have to do survivor ****, whatever the hell that means?
 
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volprof said:
Would you stop being some damn reserved and tentative and give me the info I need? :)

So what branch were you in? And in what capacity did you serve? What years did you serve?

I'm intrigued by these things. And I would love to know.

I'll hang up and listen.
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Army.

Light infantry.

Officer, got out as a captain.

Rifle PL, Rifle Company XO, Chief of Current Ops for a Rifle BN, and Rifle Company CO.
 
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volprof said:
Is that the show were they compete against one another in various heats? Or is it the one were they have to do survivor ****, whatever the hell that means?
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No. It's a movie based on Marcus Luttrell.

Mark Wahlberg plays him in the movie. It's based on actual events. How he survived and the others made it as long as they did was incredible.
 
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Obsessed said:
So the SAS is better than our rangers,seals,force recon,etc?

I just watched "lone survivor" and I must say, navy seals are some bad ass dudes. I can't imagine there being any person tougher/stronger than that.
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Not better per se so to speak. Different mission. Comparable to Delta Force (as Delta was patterned on the 22nd) and really are about on par with each other.

Rangers are shock infantry. Highly trained and specialized shock infantry and damn good, but not really comparable in mission to the SAS.

SEALs are the maritime equivalent to the Special Forces.

Force Recon are highly trained Marines that go deep into enemy territory and scope out high value targets. They can strike at them as well if needed.

The biggest things about most of your units around the world classified as "Special Operations Forces" is the fact that they may be good in one arena, but completely excel in another. Your line Army Special Forces ODA teams are great as trainers and shooters, but aren't as good in the hostage rescue position. While Delta Force is at the top of the game in that situation as that's what they specialize in.
 
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Obsessed said:
So the SAS is better than our rangers,seals,force recon,etc?

I just watched "lone survivor" and I must say, navy seals are some bad ass dudes. I can't imagine there being any person tougher/stronger than that.
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Yes, they are better than all our "named" and "recognized" forces, imo.

Lone Survivor is a big damn lie, at least according to the official USMC AARs of Operation Redwings.
 
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Obsessed said:
Wow a captain. How long were you in the army TRUT?
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Six years. Captain is not that high in the Army (only O-3), but very high in the Navy. If you keep breathing and stay out of trouble, you'll make Captain in three/three-and-a-half years.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Not better per se so to speak. Different mission. Comparable to Delta Force (as Delta was patterned on the 22nd) and really are about on par with each other.

Rangers are shock infantry. Highly trained and specialized shock infantry and damn good, but not really comparable in mission to the SAS.

SEALs are the maritime equivalent to the Special Forces.

Force Recon are highly trained Marines that go deep into enemy territory and scope out high value targets. They can strike at them as well if needed.

The biggest things about most of your units around the world classified as "Special Operations Forces" is the fact that they may be good in one arena, but completely excel in another. Your line Army Special Forces ODA teams are great as trainers and shooters, but aren't as good in the hostage rescue position. While Delta Force is at the top of the game in that situation as that's what they specialize in.
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Interesting. So while they ( our special forces divisions) are all good, they are trained to excel in certain areas more so than others?

Who would you think are our most well versed special forces? The most well rounded.
 
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Obsessed said:
AAR?

Looking for keywords for google
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Basically, they were ambushed by 10-15, maybe 20 dudes. Still a ****ty situation for four men, and one that will usually lead to the annihilation of all four, but they certainly did not take on 100-200 dudes, killing most of them.

Murphys MoH citation, which is also an exaggeration of the enemy forces, only reads 50 enemy. Again, well shy of the at least 80 but likely over 100 that Marcus claims in his book.
 
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volprof said:
Are you a vet, Ron? I've sensed as much over your last few posts in this thread, yet you've not stated it explicitly.
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I spent 6 months as a part time National Guard cook and another 3 months as the 2nd in command of the base library. That Corporal I worked under was a hammer. After those 9 months I got a discharge for PTSD.
 
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Obsessed said:
Interesting. So while they ( our special forces divisions) are all good, they are trained to excel in certain areas more so than others?

Who would you think are our most well versed special forces? The most well rounded.
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Most well-rounded? If we are including training foreign nationals and holding their own in most any mission given them, ODA (Green Berets).

CAG (Delta) is amazing, but also highly secretive and not always officially and explicitly recognized. Then there are the units like VMG that are absolutely secret squirrel.
 
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therealUT said:
Basically, they were ambushed by 10-15, maybe 20 dudes. Still a ****ty situation for four men, and one that will usually lead to the annihilation of all four, but they certainly did not take on 100-200 dudes, killing most of them.

Murphys MoH citation, which is also an exaggeration of the enemy forces, only reads 50 enemy. Again, well shy of the at least 80 but likely over 100 that Marcus claims in his book.
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I would like to think 4 seals could handle 20 men.
Thanks, I'm going to read up on this
 
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The Ron Mexico said:
I spent 6 months as a part time National Guard cook and another 3 months as the 2nd in command of the base library. That Corporal I worked under was a hammer. After those 9 months I got a discharge for PTSD.
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The corporal accused you of having PTSD to get you discharged, or what? I'm sorry, but this is too intriguing.
 
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therealUT said:
Most well-rounded? If we are including training foreign nationals and holding their own in most any mission given them, ODA (Green Berets).

CAG (Delta) is amazing, but also highly secretive and not always officially and explicitly recognized. Then there are the units like VMG that are absolutely secret squirrel.
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What's VMG?
 
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therealUT said:
Most well-rounded? If we are including training foreign nationals and holding their own in most any mission given them, ODA (Green Berets).

CAG (Delta) is amazing, but also highly secretive and not always officially and explicitly recognized. Then there are the units like VMG that are absolutely secret squirrel.
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Well rounded- yes. Sorry, couldn't get out what I was trying to say, but it seems you figured it out.

VMG? That's one I've never heard of.

I have a buddy that was force recon, got out of the marines and joined the army. They made him a ranger straight out of the gate. This just made me wonder how the different "groups" train and can cross over like that.
 
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Obsessed said:
Interesting. So while they ( our special forces divisions) are all good, they are trained to excel in certain areas more so than others?
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Yes. Take Pararescue Jumpers (PJ) for example. They specialize in going behind the lines to rescue downed pilots. And furthermore are highly trained medics as well. Like way above the normal line combat medics. They are shooters, certainly, but their primary field is to go in, conduct the rescue, provide medical aid and get out. They can do an assault, but that kind of thing is more of what SEALs would end up doing.

Pieces of a puzzle so to speak. You get a lot of cross training and joint units in that community depending on the mission. Take the Battle of Mogadishu for example. Task Force Ranger had PJs and Combat Controllers with them even though it was primarily an Army force. Because the medical specialties of the PJs were just as good or maybe even better than what was already on the ground. And the Combat Controllers were great at calling in air support.

Obsessed said:
Who would you think are our most well versed special forces? The most well rounded.
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I honestly don't think there is such a thing. Each has a unique skill set that can be applied for certain situations. If I'm a downed pilot, I want PJs coming to get me. If I need a building taken down, I'd want the SAS, or Navy Special Warfare (NSW) or the D Boys to do it.

There really isn't a "well rounded" unit.
 
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Addendum, I can agree with TRUT that for most "special missions" Army ODA teams are probably the most well rounded.
 
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