'15 FL QB/WR/DB (anything he wants) Torrance Gibson

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Ok let's cut the BS here. I like TG and his game. I think what ever position he want to play he can be successful. However,all this drama is weighing on me and I'm sure on a lot of life time Vol fans such as myself. But it is time to put up or shut up. If you are going to be a Vol go ahead and commit and help us recruit other great players, otherwise say you are not interested and move on. Although this is a great ride for him and he should enjoy the experience, leading two or three groups of fans on saying 1a, 1b or 1c is going to piss off a group to the fullest in the end. If you go ahead and announce now it won't be as bad. Come on TG , you are better than this . Announce and end the BS and move on or don't say anything else until you are ready to announce. Dig it?

He had a top 7 and just took a 5 day visit to Tennessee. Maybe he will now take a 4-5 day visit to each of the other 6. Then he will cut his list to 4 and set up 10 day visits to each. Next step will be a final 2 and his folks will set up a 1 month lease to a condo at each location. On NSD he will have 52 hats on the table and make his selection. Of course following all the travel he may need to play WR as his QB skills have been underutilized the last few months. :p
 
Would anyone care to explain the difference in the read option and the zone read for those of us, less informed, orange and white clan brethren. It really does sound like a semantics thing and not really different at all. All of my googling has produced similar returns as well. Just curious. Maybe someone who has in depth understanding of the two schemes can better explain the differences to me.

Dude who recruited young Tux said it was different and he wouldn't lie about that.
 
You prove to me that he would not.

Bottom line is that I do know a thing or two about how recruiting works and what is said to players to get them to come to a particular school.

I do not believe that Butch is a dishonest recruiter. I believe that he is a straight shooter. Quinten Dormady has said an awful lot in his interviews that makes it sound like he understands that he and JJ are the only players being recruited to play QB.

A QB like Dormady could go play at a lot of places that have nobody to compete with if he wanted and have a real chance to compete for quick playing time. Think about why he would want to come to school that was recruiting 3 QBs? Seriously. He likely would not commit to a school if they had 3 QBs that a school intended to sign.

I remember when I was recruited and the coaches would sit in the living room and my dad always asked, who else at my position was the coaching staff recruited. They were honest with me. Every school had other prospects that they were recruiting and told us that they were recruiting two players for most positions.Coaches that lie about that have their lies catch up with them in time. I do not see how Dormady would agree to signing anywhere that had 3 QBs set to sign. Forget all of the "I don't anyone who is afraid of competition" talk. Most QBs don't want any part of that. They are okay with competing with another QB in their class, but 3 in one class would not make many top QBs happy.

Next, you consider the style and offensive scheme that your team runs. Ours is the zone read, not the read option that Auburn runs. Tennessee has been recruiting a lot of tall and highly rated WRs who are playmakers. No coach is going to recruit players that take away from the strength of their recruiting. That would be recruiting suicide. TG is not a skilled passer. He does not even play QB in his team's 7 on 7 tournaments. Why is that? It is because 7 on 7 is based on a strong passing game and you are not going to run away from anyone in 7 on 7. 7 on 7 is closely related to what our offensive scheme requires in regards to passing skills needed to succeed at UT. TG plays WR where his skills are fully utilized. He is going to be a stud WR.

Bottom line is that Butch is not recruiting the next Nick Marshall to run the read option because we don not run the read option, we run the zone read-two distinctly different forms of the spread. Butch is recruiting skilled passers to deliver the ball downfield to his playmakers to make plays, not spend their careers stalk blocking for a running QB. Talk about killing your WR recruiting.

Those who do not understand what I am saying, are merely refusing to see reality and fantasize about UT running the Auburn offense, which is not what we are going to do. It is all about putting 2 + 2 together. When you do that, it is very easy to see what Butch is reciting and why he is doing so.

What pass did Dormady make that Gibson doesn't or can't on their film? All the experts rave about his big arm and touch. I'm sure you know more than them. Since you were "recruited" and all.
 
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What pass did Dormady make that Gibson doesn't or can't on their film? All the experts rave about his big arm and touch. I'm sure you know more than them. Since you were "recruited" and all.

Seam passes, outs, ins, skinny posts. They are much crisper. His fundamentals are much better than TG's.

Don't be so upset. TG is going to be one heck of a WR at the collegiate level. It is where he can do the most damage.
 
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I want Torrance Gibson as a quarterback. Sure, he has the frame of a receiver but judging from his highlights, I would be more comfortable having him as our quarterback. Apparentely Butch Jones think he's worthy of playing quarterback or else, he wouldn't have offered him. I'll take Butch Jone's opinion over Tux's.
 
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I want Torrance Gibson as a quarterback. Sure, he has the frame of a receiver but judging from his highlights, I would be more comfortable as him as our quarterback. Apparentely Butch Jones think he's worthy of playing quarterback or else, he wouldn't have offered him. I'll take Butch Jone's opinion over Tux's.

Even if Butch's thoughts are totally on "athlete," he would still have offered him....
 
I want Torrance Gibson as a quarterback. Sure, he has the frame of a receiver but judging from his highlights, I would be more comfortable as him as our quarterback. Apparentely Butch Jones think he's worthy of playing quarterback or else, he wouldn't have offered him. I'll take Butch Jone's opinion over Tux's.

Jones' opinion could of changed into tux's opinion.
 
I want Torrance Gibson as a quarterback. Sure, he has the frame of a receiver but judging from his highlights, I would be more comfortable having him as our quarterback. Apparentely Butch Jones think he's worthy of playing quarterback or else, he wouldn't have offered him. I'll take Butch Jone's opinion over Tux's.

Butch Jones offered Matt Williams as a 2015 QB. :popcorn:
 
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I want Torrance Gibson as a quarterback. Sure, he has the frame of a receiver but judging from his highlights, I would be more comfortable having him as our quarterback. Apparentely Butch Jones think he's worthy of playing quarterback or else, he wouldn't have offered him. I'll take Butch "JONE'S" opinion over Tux's.
 

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Seam passes, outs, ins, skinny posts. They are much crisper. His fundamentals are much better than TG's.

Don't be so upset. TG is going to be one heck of a WR at the collegiate level. It is where he can do the most damage.

You are welcome to your opinion. No matter how wrong. The film doesn't show what you are saying. Gibson made short , intermediate and deep passes on time in the place only the wr could get it. He hit his man in stride way more than Dormady, even when the wrs were wide open they had to stop and adjust way more than on Gibson's throws. Add to that the fact Gibson faces better dbs .
 
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Jones' opinion could of changed into tux's opinion.

I don't see why Butch Jones would want to move him to a receiver if he committed to us. The kid has a good arm and has great speed for his size. He could easily thrive in Butch Jone's offense. He plays against top notch competition every game and has proven that he can succeed at the quarterback position. Could Jones move him to receiver if he doesn't think he's capable of playing quarterback?Absolutely. But anyone who thinks he should be moved to receiver the first day he steps on campus while not even at least letting him have a shot at quarterback, is just plain silly.
 
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Seam passes, outs, ins, skinny posts. They are much crisper. His fundamentals are much better than TG's.

Don't be so upset. TG is going to be one heck of a WR at the collegiate level. It is where he can do the most damage.

Have you seen either Dormady or Gibson throw in person? Have you seen anything more than the HIGHLIGHT films put together for Torrance Gibson, which only feature his touchdowns and spectacular scrambles? Has anybody seen Qeuntin Dormady play 11-on-11 contact football since 2012?

No - you have NO idea what you're talking about, so have a seat.
 
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I don't see why Butch Jones would want to move him to a receiver if he committed to us. The kid has a good arm and has great speed for his size. He could easily thrive in Butch Jone's offense. He plays against top notch competition every game and has proven that he can succeed at the quarterback position. Could Jones move him to receiver if he doesn't think he's capable of playing quarterback?Absolutely. But anyone who thinks he should be moved to receiver the first day he steps on campus while not even at least letting him have a shot at quarterback, is just plain silly.

Maybe it played out where:

UT coaches liked what they saw in Dormady at camp. The coaching staff spoke to Gibson and told him they were going to add 1 more QB for 2015 and he was their guy IF he was ready to commit and end his recruitment. If he was not, they were ready to take Dormady. Gibson was not ready to shut it down. Then they informed him they would continue to recruit him as a WR, but QB was now full. Maybe.
 
Have you seen either Dormady or Gibson throw in person? Have you seen anything more than the HIGHLIGHT films put together for Torrance Gibson, which only feature his touchdowns and spectacular scrambles? Has anybody seen Qeuntin Dormady play 11-on-11 contact football since 2012?

No - you have NO idea what you're talking about, so have a seat.

What we do know if Jennings and Dormady are Tennessee commitments and look to have a chance to be Volunteer QBs.

Yeah, the fans have not seen Quinten play since 2012. The UT coaches did take his commitment. To me, that's enough.
 
You are welcome to your opinion. No matter how wrong. The film doesn't show what you are saying. Gibson made short , intermediate and deep passes on time in the place only the wr could get it. He hit his man in stride way more than Dormady, even when the wrs were wide open they had to stop and adjust way more than on Gibson's throws. Add to that the fact Gibson faces better dbs .

If this is true, then we just wasted a lot of time and effort in accepting a commitment from Dormady. Just do not think this is the case. I guess we will all know in December who is the best QB prospect.
 
What we do know if Jennings and Dormady are Tennessee commitments and look to have a chance to be Volunteer QBs.

Yeah, the fans have not seen Quinten play since 2012. The UT coaches did take his commitment. To me, that's enough.

The UT coaches would take Gibson's commit and are recruiting him hard at QB. To me that's enough.
 
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You prove to me that he would not.

Bottom line is that I do know a thing or two about how recruiting works and what is said to players to get them to come to a particular school.

I do not believe that Butch is a dishonest recruiter. I believe that he is a straight shooter. Quinten Dormady has said an awful lot in his interviews that makes it sound like he understands that he and JJ are the only players being recruited to play QB.

A QB like Dormady could go play at a lot of places that have nobody to compete with if he wanted and have a real chance to compete for quick playing time. Think about why he would want to come to school that was recruiting 3 QBs? Seriously. He likely would not commit to a school if they had 3 QBs that a school intended to sign.

I remember when I was recruited and the coaches would sit in the living room and my dad always asked, who else at my position was the coaching staff recruited. They were honest with me. Every school had other prospects that they were recruiting and told us that they were recruiting two players for most positions.Coaches that lie about that have their lies catch up with them in time. I do not see how Dormady would agree to signing anywhere that had 3 QBs set to sign. Forget all of the "I don't anyone who is afraid of competition" talk. Most QBs don't want any part of that. They are okay with competing with another QB in their class, but 3 in one class would not make many top QBs happy.

Next, you consider the style and offensive scheme that your team runs. Ours is the zone read, not the read option that Auburn runs. Tennessee has been recruiting a lot of tall and highly rated WRs who are playmakers. No coach is going to recruit players that take away from the strength of their recruiting. That would be recruiting suicide. TG is not a skilled passer. He does not even play QB in his team's 7 on 7 tournaments. Why is that? It is because 7 on 7 is based on a strong passing game and you are not going to run away from anyone in 7 on 7. 7 on 7 is closely related to what our offensive scheme requires in regards to passing skills needed to succeed at UT. TG plays WR where his skills are fully utilized. He is going to be a stud WR.

Bottom line is that Butch is not recruiting the next Nick Marshall to run the read option because we don not run the read option, we run the zone read-two distinctly different forms of the spread. Butch is recruiting skilled passers to deliver the ball downfield to his playmakers to make plays, not spend their careers stalk blocking for a running QB. Talk about killing your WR recruiting.

Those who do not understand what I am saying, are merely refusing to see reality and fantasize about UT running the Auburn offense, which is not what we are going to do. It is all about putting 2 + 2 together. When you do that, it is very easy to see what Butch is reciting and why he is doing so.

First off debating doesn't work that way. You made the claim that TG will be a WR here so it's your job to provide proof. After reading all of this, all you have offered is your usual conjecture. You say that CBJ is not a dishonest guy and I agree. But here is the thing. QD said he believes he is the only QB right? So basically you're believing what a recruit is saying without conformation from CBJ. Pretty much everywhere I have read has said we are recruiting him at QB. Gibson said CBJ told him he was the #1 QB target. So why would CBJ lie to Gibson?

Also you're under the assumption that the only way Gibson can flourish is in an Auburn style offense. There is absolutely zero proof of that. For all we know he could slide into our offense and be very successful. How do you know that he won't develop into a very skilled passer? Answer is you can't. All you have done is make assumptions about one of the most skilled players in the country. Say he came to UT, takes a RS (like QD will), improves his passing mechanics and goes to Whitfields camp and improves even more? So what would be wrong with a skilled passer who also happens to be one of the best athletes in the country?

You can continue to make things up about Gibson all you want but it's getting you nowhere. Until his senior season is played nobody knows anything about where TG is going to play. Now if we hear from CBJ or from TG saying CBJ wants him at WR, then we can talk. And if CBJ decides TG is best suited at WR for us, then I am fine with that. But until that happens TG is a QB for us because that's where CBJ recruited him at. We don't run an AU style of offense and TG knows that.
 
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If this is true, then we just wasted a lot of time and effort in accepting a commitment from Dormady. Just do not think this is the case. I guess we will all know in December who is the best QB prospect.

While I think Dormady will clearly be the best QB option of the class early on, it will be at least 6-8 months after they get to campus before we know much at all about who looks better long term.
 
First off debating doesn't work that way. You made the claim that TG will be a WR here so it's your job to provide proof. After reading all of this, all you have offered is your usual conjecture. You say that CBJ is not a dishonest guy and I agree. But here is the thing. QD said he believes he is the only QB right? So basically you're believing what a recruit is saying without conformation from CBJ. Pretty much everywhere I have read has said we are recruiting him at QB. Gibson said CBJ told him he was the #1 QB target. So why would CBJ lie to Gibson?

Also you're under the assumption that the only way Gibson can flourish is in an Auburn style offense. There is absolutely zero proof of that. For all we know he could slide into our offense and be very successful. How do you know that he won't develop into a very skilled passer? Answer is you can't. All you have done is make assumptions about one of the most skilled players in the country. Say he came to UT, takes a RS (like QD will), improves his passing mechanics and goes to Whitfields camp and improves even more? So what would be wrong with a skilled passer who also happens to be one of the best athletes in the country?

You can continue to make things up about Gibson all you want but it's getting you nowhere. Until his senior season is played nobody knows anything about where TG is going to play. Now if we hear from CBJ or from TG saying CBJ wants him at WR, then we can talk. And if CBJ decides TG is best suited at WR for us, then I am fine with that. But until that happens TG is a QB for us because that's where CBJ recruited him at. We don't run an AU style of offense and TG knows that.
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If this is true, then we just wasted a lot of time and effort in accepting a commitment from Dormady. Just do not think this is the case. I guess we will all know in December who is the best QB prospect.

Its not a waste. Let them compete and the better player wins out. So we will have a good qb either way. Then someone to backup or switch positions.
 
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First off debating doesn't work that way. You made the claim that TG will be a WR here so it's your job to provide proof. After reading all of this, all you have offered is your usual conjecture. You say that CBJ is not a dishonest guy and I agree. But here is the thing. QD said he believes he is the only QB right? So basically you're believing what a recruit is saying without conformation from CBJ. Pretty much everywhere I have read has said we are recruiting him at QB. Gibson said CBJ told him he was the #1 QB target. So why would CBJ lie to Gibson?

Also you're under the assumption that the only way Gibson can flourish is in an Auburn style offense. There is absolutely zero proof of that. For all we know he could slide into our offense and be very successful. How do you know that he won't develop into a very skilled passer? Answer is you can't. All you have done is make assumptions about one of the most skilled players in the country. Say he came to UT, takes a RS (like QD will), improves his passing mechanics and goes to Whitfields camp and improves even more? So what would be wrong with a skilled passer who also happens to be one of the best athletes in the country?

You can continue to make things up about Gibson all you want but it's getting you nowhere. Until his senior season is played nobody knows anything about where TG is going to play. Now if we hear from CBJ or from TG saying CBJ wants him at WR, then we can talk. And if CBJ decides TG is best suited at WR for us, then I am fine with that. But until that happens TG is a QB for us because that's where CBJ recruited him at. We don't run an AU style of offense and TG knows that.

CBJ "told" Gibson he was their #1 QB on their board many months ago. After taking 2 other QBs, would it stand to reason that has possibly changed?

I guess I would play this recruiting thing very different than some kids do. I would not hesitate to ask coaches the tough questions and also speak to other recruits. "The coach told you what"? "Well, he said this to me". IMO it would quickly let kids know where they actually stand. If I felt the coaches were doing a lot of "coach speak" to get commitments, I'd call them on it.
 
What we do know if Jennings and Dormady are Tennessee commitments and look to have a chance to be Volunteer QBs.

Yeah, the fans have not seen Quinten play since 2012. The UT coaches did take his commitment. To me, that's enough.

So it's enough for you that the coaches took QD commitment to play QB. Yet for some reason the same coaches who offered Gibson at QB, it's different. Just go ahead and admit you're a Gibson hater pure and simple. This post just proves it. If you trust the coaches decisions, then their decision to take Gibson as a QB should be fine with you as well.
 
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