'15 FL QB/WR/DB (anything he wants) Torrance Gibson

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Burger said:
Didn't Tee Martin complete 26 in a row?
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In 1998 he only completed 57% of his passes. For his UT career he only had a 55% completion rate. Do we bring up these facts when discussing Tee? No. We talk about him being a winner. That's my point. His stats are meaningless. He helped UT win a lot of games including a NC while putting up very pedestrian stats.

So knowing all of that, what's your point?
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
In 1998 he only completed 57% of his passes. For his UT career he only had a 55% completion rate. Do we bring up these facts when discussing Tee? No. We talk about him being a winner. That's my point. His stats are meaningless. He helped UT win a lot of games including a NC while putting up very pedestrian stats.

So knowing all of that, what's your point?
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Maybe we won in spite of his accuracy problems?
 
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Whoever the guy is, he's not nearly as bad as MomsBasementSitter aka TideWarrior. I really don't care for the barn, but to compare him to TW as a poster is ludicrous. For starters, I have yet to see either SCtiger or AUinVOLcountry lay down the classic "wasn't a take for us" that is TW's trademark.

Also, I don't really get my rocks off from talking smack to people on the Internet. So there's that.
 
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Burger said:
Football is a team sport. The mass accumulation of talent won, not just Tee Martin. Too much blame gets put on the QB, as too much credit is given to him.
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I have asked this before and I will again. Would his accuracy problems matter if he came here and helped us win? If Gibson came here and only completed 50% of his passes but won 8+ games each year he started, would that be acceptable?
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
I have asked this before and I will again. Would his accuracy problems matter if he came here and helped us win? If Gibson came here and only completed 50% of his passes but won 8+ games each year he started, would that be acceptable?
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If he is willing to put in the work to be a great one. I don't see that happening. He's the type to advertise everything. It doesn't look like he's putting in the work to throw better. I don't expect him to do the same on campus.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
I have asked this before and I will again. Would his accuracy problems matter if he came here and helped us win? If Gibson came here and only completed 50% of his passes but won 8+ games each year he started, would that be acceptable?
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You make a great point here. Tennessee is a college team. It helps us in recruiting to pump out viable NFL prospects, but I couldn't care less whether we do or not as long as we're winning football games. Naturally, I want former Vols to do well in the league, but I'm a Tennessee fan first. I want us to win, whatever scheme or players it takes, and I'm not really all that interested in whether that scheme translates to the NFL.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
I have asked this before and I will again. Would his accuracy problems matter if he came here and helped us win? If Gibson came here and only completed 50% of his passes but won 8+ games each year he started, would that be acceptable?
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That would mean we could have won 10 with a better QB.

And that we wasted some amazing WR talent.
 
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If he is willing to put in the work to be a great one. I don't see that happening. He's the type to advertise everything. It doesn't look like he's putting in the work to throw better. I don't expect him to do the same on campus.
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What have you seen that makes you think he won't put in work to become better? His senior season has not even started yet. How do you know when he gets on a college campus that he will not improve with a collegiate coaching staff?
 
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Coastypop said:
Honest question.....Why do people who don't want him at Tennessee keep posting in his thread? If you think he is not a good fit here then go post in another QB thread.... preferably one you approve of......


Stange idea on Volnation
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They all want him they just don't think we will get him so they are rejecting him before he can reject us. Boom.
 
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Pretty sure TG wants to be his own man and establish his own legacy. AU is being "next man up" UT is being "THE" man that brought UT football back to dominance. Big difference! TG knows this well and doesn't want to be a Cam comparison. He wants to be the standard with a reference to being better than Cam.
 
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What have you seen that makes you think he won't put in work to become better? His senior season has not even started yet. How do you know when he gets on a college campus that he will not improve with a collegiate coaching staff?
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How do you know he will be the greatest QB to ever play at UT? Geez sometimes you and EZ seem to have an unnatural love for TG. A lot of people don't share your opinion of him being the 10 greatest QB's of all time rolled into one.
 
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unioncityvol said:
TG is a carbon copy of a Malzahn QB. Run 1st option QB with the ability to hit an occasional pass and even on a pass play possibly take off instead. If he chose AU I would totally understand and maybe even he knows its a better fit because we throw it closer to 50/50. I think there's a better fit for us out there.
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The problem is....that kind of QB isn't in demand in the NFL. Cam Newton is an exception because he had a BIG arm. Nick Marshall won't be a high draft pick largely because he won't be viewed as Pro-Ready. He'll be viewed more in line with Pat White and some other VT and Oregon QB's.

NFL teams don't mind as much now that a QB is utilized in a spread. But they do want to see a decent balance of Pass vs the Run, and that the QB's arm talent, ability to read defenses and cycle through his progressions will likely translate to the NFL....which is a PASSING league.

Cannot stress that last point enough, so I'll say it again. The NFL is a PASSING league. Any highly rated recruit should keep that in mind. If your ultimate goal is to play in the league, you need to put yourself in the best possible environment to be prepped for the league. Butch's offense is far more suited to that than Malzahn's.

No doubt the Auburn fans will scoff at that, but the proof is in the stat sheet. Go argue with that. They will point to Newton, but Newton was simply a freak athlete, who had a BIG arm, and only played for them one season...so, it's not like Malzahn developed him. He was already developed as a passer before he ever got paid to play at to AU. Even with that, he was used more in the run game than NFL teams would like.

Conversely, you can watch Cincinnati games under CBJ and even last year, and see that the QB is used in the run game very seldom. CBJ, like NFL teams, want to protect the QB. That's not to say they don't have the liberty to use their feet when the play breaks down, but you can generally count on one hand how many times a game, the QB will pull the ball and run.

So, if there is any question whether or not Malzahn's QB is reliable as a passer, he will lean on the run = no development as a passer. In Bajakian's offense, he will HAVE to develop as a passer. Malzahn would be content to just mask that perceived deficiency. You could see that throughout the whole year, last season, with Marshall.

In our game, he threw 2 passes the entire first half? So, Auburn fans...don't bother trying to sell us any of that BS.
 
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VOLorNuttin said:
The problem is....that kind of QB isn't in demand in the NFL. Cam Newton is an exception because he had a BIG arm. Nick Marshall won't be a high draft pick largely because he won't be viewed as Pro-Ready. He'll be viewed more in line with Pat White and some other VT and Oregon QB's.

NFL teams don't mind as much now that a QB is utilized in a spread. But they do want to see a decent balance of Pass vs the Run, and that the QB's arm talent, ability to read defenses and cycle through his progressions will likely translate to the NFL....which is a PASSING league.

Cannot stress that last point enough, so I'll say it again. The NFL is a PASSING league. Any highly rated recruit should keep that in mind. If your ultimate goal is to play in the league, you need to put yourself in the best possible environment to be prepped for the league. Butch's offense is far more suited to that than Malzahn's.

No doubt the Auburn fans will scoff at that, but the proof is in the stat sheet. Go argue with that. They will point to Newton, but Newton was simply a freak athlete, who had a BIG arm, and only played for them one season...so, it's not like Malzahn developed him. He was already developed as a passer before he ever got paid to play at to AU. Even with that, he was used more in the run game than NFL teams would like.

Conversely, you can watch Cincinnati games under CBJ and even last year, and see that the QB is used in the run game very seldom. CBJ, like NFL teams, want to protect the QB. That's not to say they don't have the liberty to use their feet when the play breaks down, but you can generally count on one hand how many times a game, the QB will pull the ball and run.

So, if there is any question whether or not Malzahn's QB is reliable as a passer, he will lean on the run = no development as a passer. In Bajakian's offense, he will HAVE to develop as a passer. Malzahn would be content to just mask that perceived deficiency. You could see that throughout the whole year, last season, with Marshall.

In our game, he threw 2 passes the entire first half? So, Auburn fans...don't bother trying to sell us any of that BS.
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Tim Tebow ring a bell?? He's another example of a run first, throw second. Obviously didn't work out too well for him in the pros.
 
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VolAllen said:
Tim Tebow ring a bell?? He's another example of a run first, throw second. Obviously didn't work out too well for him in the pros.
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Him, too. The difference between him an Newton was arm talent. Newton has lots of it. Tebow was just the opposite.

The Panthers really stepped out on a limb to take Newton as high as they did. Most projections had him mid to late 1st Rd. Beside the character questions, there wasn't a lot of tape that demonstrated the mental acumen to be a pass-first QB...which is what NFL teams are looking for.

So, my point about Gibson is..."do you want to develop and demonstrate your skills as a passer, in college...or are you content to being an athlete who can pass the ball once in a while (to keep defenses honest)? The latter will likely hinder your draft stock tremendously.
 
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VolSteve said:
How do you know he will be the greatest QB to ever play at UT? Geez sometimes you and EZ seem to have an unnatural love for TG. A lot of people don't share your opinion of him being the 10 greatest QB's of all time rolled into one.
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You're in the wrong thread...unless it's effusive and unbending praise for this budding WR...you're supposed to post in the Dormady thread. :eek:k:
 
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What have you seen that makes you think he won't put in work to become better? His senior season has not even started yet. How do you know when he gets on a college campus that he will not improve with a collegiate coaching staff?
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The past is the best indicator of the future. He is not putting in the work today. He would be posting it like a billboard if he was.
 
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