US Soldier Bowe Berghdahl freed from Taliban in prisoner exchange

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Fyi, as long as this guy isn't jailed for deseretion he will most likely get a 100% disability rating from the VA for being a POW..thats $3000.00 a month tax free..Fo life!
 
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Vol8188 said:
Treason, such as spying on the United States? That sounds like treason to me. All he did was expose it.
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Treason as in betraying his trust from his Government. I understand that he was ratting out something that was a detriment to the public and I agree with that premise that in the end, it was good for the public that he spilled things......BUT, when you are trusted with confidential/secret/tss information, you dont have the option of releasing information to anyone. It sets a precedent if we say that its ok for our trusted individuals (clearances) to release sensitive information because they think its bad. Its a very clear cut situation of treason.
 
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BearCat204 said:
Treason as in betraying his trust from his Government. I understand that he was ratting out something that was a detriment to the public and I agree with that premise that in the end, it was good for the public that he spilled things......BUT, when you are trusted with confidential/secret/tss information, you dont have the option of releasing information to anyone. It sets a precedent if we say that its ok for our trusted individuals (clearances) to release sensitive information because they think its bad. Its a very clear cut situation of treason.
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I think such a precedent is a great precedent for a representative government to have. Those represented cannot truly have their interests represented if the structure of the state keeps secrets from them. It is a clear cut case of treason according the the letter of the law; it is even a clear cut case of treason according to the spirit of the law in non-representative governments. However, I'm quite reluctant so see Snowden's actions as treason, while I'm much more ready to acquiesce in the view that the actions Snowden brought to light, the very actions of the government, are treacherous against the people of the US.

You are quite right in that having such clearances, you do not have the legal option of releasing the information to the public. And, in this, I am with you: Snowden clearly violated the letter of the law. But, do I think Snowden did anything wrong? No; he merely did something illegal.
 
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therealUT said:
I think such a precedent is a great precedent for a representative government to have. Those represented cannot truly have their interests represented if the structure of the state keeps secrets from them. It is a clear cut case of treason according the the letter of the law; it is even a clear cut case of treason according to the spirit of the law in non-representative governments. However, I'm quite reluctant so see Snowden's actions as treason, while I'm much more ready to acquiesce in the view that the actions Snowden brought to light, the very actions of the government, are treacherous against the people of the US.

You are quite right in that having such clearances, you do not have the legal option of releasing the information to the public. And, in this, I am with you: Snowden clearly violated the letter of the law. But, do I think Snowden did anything wrong? No; he merely did something illegal.
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I agree. I don't think he did anything that serious. It isn't like he leaked a CIA Chiefs name or anything.
 
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therealUT said:
I think such a precedent is a great precedent for a representative government to have. Those represented cannot truly have their interests represented if the structure of the state keeps secrets from them. It is a clear cut case of treason according the the letter of the law; it is even a clear cut case of treason according to the spirit of the law in non-representative governments. However, I'm quite reluctant so see Snowden's actions as treason, while I'm much more ready to acquiesce in the view that the actions Snowden brought to light, the very actions of the government, are treacherous against the people of the US.

You are quite right in that having such clearances, you do not have the legal option of releasing the information to the public. And, in this, I am with you: Snowden clearly violated the letter of the law. But, do I think Snowden did anything wrong? No; he merely did something illegal.
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I agree with your points, I just seem to feel like there should be a "no tolerance" as far as any information that one who has been charged with having access to certain information that is deemed classified. Do I think Snowden is a bad guy or that he did something horrendous? No, but IMO you cant overlook his disregard for his responsibility of trust. That's just my opinion and I know that I see things and have seen information that I know is really wrong and fubar'd, but I also know that it is my responsibility first, to not disclose information to anyone that has been deemed classified.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
So Barry signed off on this negotiation/swap and bypassed Congress in doing so. Why am I not surprised.
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I brought this point up yesterday & everybody missed it. Nobody replied to this. How King Barry does not follow the laws set by Congress but does what he wants by trying to gain political points & only for political points that make Barry look good to the low level information voter. Obama is a very narcissistic person who feels as if he & his administration are "above the laws" of the U.S. & can & will get away with their snobby way of leading this country.
 
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@barbarastarrcnn
Def official: Bergdahl not classified as deserter. Scheduled for promotion. Army first needs to hear from him directly what happened.
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promote him? I wounder what his platoon thinks?
 
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Regarding Snowden, if his motive was to reveal what he felt were unlawful or unjustified surveillance practices by the NSA, then why not limit what he disclosed to US reporters initially to that? Why did he go overseas and tell adversaries and allies about intelligence operations involving them?
 
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Regarding this soldier, I am very surprised and disturbed by all these fellow soldiers coming out and saying he was a deserter and that, basically, no effort should have been made to get him back. The whole thing is just bizarre. Presumably, they would have been saying this ahead of this announcement, but its not at all clear to me how that would be considered by the administration in what to do about the guy.

Whole thing is weird. (No, not Allen Lunatic West weird, but weird).
 
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I wonder if this deserter stands military trial. If he does and is found guilty, I'm sure Obama will give him a pardon.
 
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BearCat204 said:
I agree with your points, I just seem to feel like there should be a "no tolerance" as far as any information that one who has been charged with having access to certain information that is deemed classified. Do I think Snowden is a bad guy or that he did something horrendous? No, but IMO you cant overlook his disregard for his responsibility of trust. That's just my opinion and I know that I see things and have seen information that I know is really wrong and fubar'd, but I also know that it is my responsibility first, to not disclose information to anyone that has been deemed classified.
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My question then would be how would we ever find out wrongs the government has brought against the people if one can not release it? If he hadn't come forward with the information we might not have found out.
 
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Burhead said:
Again desertion does not necessarily mean treason.
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This is true, but he sure didn't jump post to head back to Idaho to dig potatoes either. The whole thing is dicked up, and I'm certain all reports from the CoC were thoroughly brushed up to avoid saying what had actually happened.
 
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VolsNSkinsFan said:
kinda weird that his dad speaks Arabic, considering they live in Idaho. Really random
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The father learned Pashto, not Arabic, after his son was captured. Apparently he thought that if he could communicate with those that captured his son, he could negotiate his release.
 
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AirVol said:
I wonder if this deserter stands military trial. If he does and is found guilty, I'm sure Obama will give him a pardon.
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He will not stand trial even if he is a deserter. The admin in any case will celebrate this as a triumph and as long as he plays ball he will be held up as a hero.

Now, I have no clue if he did or didn't desert.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Regarding this soldier, I am very surprised and disturbed by all these fellow soldiers coming out and saying he was a deserter and that, basically, no effort should have been made to get him back. The whole thing is just bizarre. Presumably, they would have been saying this ahead of this announcement, but its not at all clear to me how that would be considered by the administration in what to do about the guy.

Whole thing is weird. (No, not Allen Lunatic West weird, but weird).
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Weird as in lunatic Reid & Peelosi & Uncle Joe Biden. Don't forget Peelosi says that ACA is a beautiful thing......what a delusional bunch of idiots you have as party leaders or they think they are leaders but are an embarrassment to everyone when they speak.
 
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