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#27
#27
zansdad said:
Gonna disagree with you on the press thing. While having a PG that can really handle the ball well is great. Presses are broken by passing the ball not dribbling it.
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There is no concrete answer to that pg-vs-pass argument. Depends entirely on your roster. Tony Harris was unpressable, for example.
 
#30
#30
bamacheats said:
There is no concrete answer to that pg-vs-pass argument. Depends entirely on your roster. Tony Harris was unpressable, for example.
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That's the exception not the rule. Much easier to break a press with good game planning and passing than just having one guy try to dribble it up, no matter how good he is.
 
#35
#35
Sudden Impact said:
I can't speculate on any of the games at this point, Wins or losses, nor would I. I find it funny that you seem to keep raising the bar from 15 wins, .500, to 20 wins.
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Keepin' it short....

I don't recall EVER saying that 15 wins or .500 would be acceptable, so you're either mistaking me for someone else or misunderstood something I have said.

IMO there's no excuse why with Tennessee's resources, and retuning talent that he should win less than 18 games. And if there's some mass plan being executed to perfection, and this new style is gonna be Bruce Pearlesque it should be much higher than 18.
 
#36
#36
bleedingTNorange said:
Keepin' it short....

I don't recall EVER saying that 15 wins or .500 would be acceptable, so you're either mistaking me for someone else or misunderstood something I have said.

IMO there's no excuse why with Tennessee's resources, and retuning talent that he should win less than 18 games. And if there's some mass plan being executed to perfection, and this new style is gonna be Bruce Pearlesque it should be much higher than 18.
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Just saying the only returning talent is rich.reese and Lopez
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#37
#37
drewtigeralum said:
You're going to see the same struggles at U.T, but with less talent.
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In your opinion.

I could see different struggles but not the same struggles. More accomplished with a lot more "Less talented players" (your words which is opinion) being utilized on the court. 7 players used per game vs 10-11 on the court.

Different Coach, Different Systems, Different Techniques, Different Philosophy, Different Experience levels, Different skill sets, Different Environment and you get the picture.

However, you state same struggles...NO.

Less talent, who knows or who cares if CDT systems works and the Team plays like a Team.
 
#38
#38
Sudden Impact said:
In your opinion.

I could see different struggles but not the same struggles. More accomplished with a lot more "Less talented players" (your words which is opinion) being utilized on the court. 7 players used per game vs 10-11 on the court.

Different Coach, Different Systems, Different Techniques, Different Philosophy, Different Experience levels, Different skill sets, Different Environment and you get the picture.

However, you state same struggles...NO.

Less talent, who knows or who cares if CDT systems works and the Team plays like a Team.
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Less talented would be my opinion and everyone who evaluates basketball talent, but maybe everyone is wrong.
 
#39
#39
bleedingTNorange said:
Keepin' it short....

I don't recall EVER saying that 15 wins or .500 would be acceptable, so you're either mistaking me for someone else or misunderstood something I have said.

IMO there's no excuse why with Tennessee's resources, and retuning talent that he should win less than 18 games. And if there's some mass plan being executed to perfection, and this new style is gonna be Bruce Pearlesque it should be much higher than 18.
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Our returning talent is one guy and that is JRICH.....I do feel its kind of like Zo's first yr where we have big time potential from several guys....It's a matter of who realizes their potential. I would feel better if we had the bigs Zo did when he first got here.....Maymon, Hall, and being able to add a Stokes mid yr would be amazing.


We have the potential to be much better than most people think but might also struggle if none of the players step up. Anything short of a tourney bid is a failure but I will judge the coach based on how the actual season plays out and his second recruiting class. I do feel he has done a good job so far though.
 
#41
#41
bleedingTNorange said:
Keepin' it short....

I don't recall EVER saying that 15 wins or .500 would be acceptable, so you're either mistaking me for someone else or misunderstood something I have said.

IMO there's no excuse why with Tennessee's resources, and retuning talent that he should win less than 18 games. And if there's some mass plan being executed to perfection, and this new style is gonna be Bruce Pearlesque it should be much higher than 18.
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So why did you use 20 vs 18 to as the bar? Without knowing how those wins were accomplished it is just childish to speculate or pretense a Coach's season on nothing but speculative BS.

You are playing games with this...other win speculations is in your post and since you posts 40-50 times a day not really worth wasting the time to look back to justify a meaningless argument anyway.

Really does not matter...

Still a baited debate and argument and is only speculative and emotional at this point.
 
#42
#42
bleedingTNorange said:
My 2 biggest concerns, what happens when we are pressed? Do we have anyone that can break the press and handle the ball over under pressure without turning it over?

Rebounding. Hopefully McKnight keeps his nose clean, stays out of foul trouble, and maybe adds 10-15 pounds by the start of the season. Outside of him Reese would be the next guy in line who's most physically ready to play the 5, that scares me a bit.
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Im not worried about rebounding at all....I think CDT system is not built in the traditional big guy out muscling another big guy for the ball. We will be tall and long 1-5 on the court and our speed and athleticism will be used to get rebounds in our match up zone.

As for the press, I dont think we will have any problems with it bc we will be going against it every single day in practice. I am worried about the PG controlling tempo and getting us in correct spots on offense though.
 
#43
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volbeast33 said:
Im not worried about rebounding at all....I think CDT system is not built in the traditional big guy out muscling another big guy for the ball. We will be tall and long 1-5 on the court and our speed and athleticism will be used to get rebounds in our match up zone.

As for the press, I dont think we will have any problems with it bc we will be going against it every single day in practice. I am worried about the PG controlling tempo and getting us in correct spots on offense though.
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Rebounding out of a match up zone is one of the big drawbacks of the match up zone. If you don't believe me, Syracuse, who was long and athletic 1-5 last year got crushed on the boards using their 2-3 match up zone. So did USM.
 
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#44
#44
drewtigeralum said:
...15 wins should be the break even point for this team. Under 15 wins and there should be some disappointment, over 15 wins and people should be happy. I see no way that this team gets to 20 unless the S.E.C. is brutally bad again next year.
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Sounds about like what we were expecting if CCM had returned. Only difference is it would've been his 4th year with his players whereas CDT is having to replace the majority of the roster.

But yes, I do agree we'll likely be in the mid-teen range with wins next year. While he's done a good job finding players to come in it'll be hard for them to all gel into a team immediately. What I'm interested in going forward is if he can recruit kid from H.S. at a high level and build a program the proper way.
 
#45
#45
OrangeUTopia said:
Sounds about like what we were expecting if CCM had returned. Only difference is it would've been his 4th year with his players whereas CDT is having to replace the majority of the roster.

But yes, I do agree we'll likely be in the mid-teen range with wins next year. While he's done a good job finding players to come in it'll be hard for them to all gel into a team immediately. What I'm interested in going forward is if he can recruit kid from H.S. at a high level and build a program the proper way.
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I think 20 wins would have been the expectation for the CCM team. It would have been more experienced and balanced roster.
 
#46
#46
drewtigeralum said:
Less talented would be my opinion and everyone who evaluates basketball talent, but maybe everyone is wrong.
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Talent, potential, skill set are all parts of the equation, but you can't disregard team chemistry, system, Coaching and other factors in this evaluation. Team Dynamics always take hold.

CDT is a virtual unknown at this level, he has been successful at lower levels of play. Let's see what he can do now that he has been given the resources to do it.

The team/season ahead had a bunch of question marks to begin with anyway. It still does, but the the major players changed dramatically. So much, there is little chance of telling how this will go down.
 
#47
#47
Sudden Impact said:
Talent, potential, skill set are all parts of the equation, but you can't disregard team chemistry, system, Coaching and other factors in this evaluation. Team Dynamics always take hold.

CDT is a virtual unknown at this level, he has been successful at lower levels of play. Let's see what he can do now that he has been given the resources to do it.

The team/season ahead had a bunch of question marks to begin with anyway. It still does, but the the major players changed dramatically. So much, there is little chance of telling how this will go down.
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I think you're confusing where I'm coming from. CDT is virtually unknown at this level and I don't think this season should be counted against him. It's going to be a struggle and he is going to find that it's much harder to plug holes with mid level JuCo guys at this level. He didn't have a choice in the matter this year. As far as I'm concerned, this year and next year are freebies for CDT. Year 3 is when you're going to be able to start evaluating his ability to coach.
 
#48
#48
zansdad said:
Gonna disagree with you on the press thing. While having a PG that can really handle the ball well is great. Presses are broken by passing the ball not dribbling it.
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We will see...

I'm guessing we will struggle some against a press from Florida
 
#50
#50
bleedingTNorange said:
We will see...

I'm guessing we will struggle some against a press from Florida
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I'm not saying that I wouldn't like a PG with great ball handling skill. I just think coaching and passing break presses more consistanly. This team should have enough tall ball handlers to deal with most pressing teams as long as they don't inbound the ball into a corner and then run away from the guy.
 
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