Not Going to Have "Thugs"? Wha?

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1972 Grad said:
I would argue that if would if you equate the word thug to a race of people, then you are a racist. I hope that they don't change the meaning of the word "dog." People like you will have to make a run on cats.
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The fact that a substantial amount of people see "thug" as a derogatory word makes the term racist (when used in a racist context [unlike Tyndall's presser]). The fact that I acknowledge that doesn't imply my feelings towards other races.

FWIW, "thug" and "gay" are two words that solidly have dual meanings, unlike "****** (N-word)" and "********* (F-word)" which are purely for degradation. "Thug" and "gay" can be used to either appropriately describe and label people or to degrade.
 
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Burger said:
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There is also an undeniable part of the US population that are idiots. These idiots are making up connotations to fit their political needs despite history contradicting them.
I don't use real racist terms at all, and I laugh at blacks that use the word "nigga". I use the word thugs to describe the MS13 gang ( the biggest gang in the world who are from El Salvador ), Marshall Henderson, the Russian, Chinese, Japanese mobs, the Sicilian mob, and may I keep going?

Am I racist now since I went across the board to describe nonblack thugs? Am I racist against my own itallians for calling their mobs thugs?

You're just believing the propaganda circulated to try to "take down" the white man circulated by Jesse and his buddies.
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If you're not going to take me seriously, have a nice day :hi:
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
The fact that a substantial amount of people see "thug" as a derogatory word makes the term racist (when used in a racist context [unlike Tyndall's presser]). The fact that I acknowledge that doesn't imply my feelings towards other races.

FWIW, "thug" and "gay" are two words that solidly have dual meanings, unlike "****** (N-word)" and "********* (F-word)" which are purely for degradation. "Thug" and "gay" can be used to either appropriately describe and label people or to degrade.
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Here are some legitimate questions. Is there such a thing as a white thug? An Asian Thug? A Latino Thug? An Indian thug? Do those people exist in your world?
 
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Vol8188 said:
When Tupac got that "thug life" tatted on his chest, did the rest of the world label him a bigot?

I'm just trying to figure this out. Is the word itself bad? Or is it only bad for whiteys to use it?
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You know the difference of when you're using it to appropriately label someone and when you're using it to degrade.
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
If you're not going to take me seriously, have a nice day :hi:
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I can't take anyone who believes PC seriously. These guys preaching this crap are getting nabbed for corruption. You won't even consider other races thugs. That's a bad mentality.
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
"Thug" certainly seems like it's become synonymous with "******." That's obviously subjective, but it's undeniable that a viable portion of the US population see it that way.

However, that's neither here nor there, as Tyndall seemed like he was just saying there won't be any off-court issues or run ins with police. I don't think anyone said Tyndall was being a racist by using the word; the OP just brought it up, and in typical VN fashion, everyone accused him of labeling Tyndall as racist.

I don't really care to argue about it anymore. If you disagree, that's fine, but I just hope you can gather the empathy and respect to acknowledge the impact derogatory terms. The great thing about America is that you can say or think anything you want, and I would rather everyone have that option than to prohibit any words. I just don't see what's so difficult about refraining from using them and showing some respect to your fellow man.
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I never related thug to that word. Bill Laimbeer was the biggest thug I ever saw play live. Kevin Nash was a thug. They both whiter than Casper.

In basketball, I think of thug as somewhat of a hatchet man.

In life, a thug is just a bully
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
Obviously. "Thug" isn't bound to a race unless the person using it makes it that way.
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Fine. I am trying to understand the logic of someone deciding that the word thug describes a race of people. I still don't understand how one makes the jump to make it racial in any way.
 
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Jax_Vol said:
I never related thug to that word. Bill Laimbeer was the biggest thug I ever saw play live. Kevin Nash was a thug. They both whiter than Casper.

In basketball, I think of thug as somewhat of a hatchet man.

In life, a thug is just a bully
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Hahaha fair enough. That use of it isn't derogatory. I guess you could describe those guys as "violent people" haha.
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
Hahaha fair enough. That use of it isn't derogatory. I guess you could describe those guys as "violent people" haha.
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That is the way I think of the word. Look it up in the dictionary.

If you prefer, we can call them goons.



I watched southern miss play this year. They were in your face. A bunch of goons. I love it. That is the only reason I remember them. They were tough. And big time under the skin of Minnesota...(who they were playing). I only saw the first half.
 
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1972 Grad said:
Fine. I am trying to understand the logic of someone deciding that the word thug describes a race of people. I still don't understand how one makes the jump to make it racial in any way.
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This is gonna kinda seem like I'm going against what I've been saying, but I personally haven't seen any bad instances of using "thug" in the derogatory manner. I will also cede that many people, especially in the media, hype it up and make it seem like it's worse than it is.

My point is that it can be degrading, and even though Tyndall actually used it appropriately IMO, it wasn't the best choice of words. Oh well, I knew what he meant, no harm done, moving on.
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
You know the difference of when you're using it to appropriately label someone and when you're using it to degrade.
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So the term is acceptable to use in the right context? Meaning the context CDT used it in was acceptable?

I could agree with that. And I do agree that some bigots do use the term in a racially charged manor. But what term do bigots not make into a racial epithet?
 
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Vol8188 said:
So the term is acceptable to use in the right context? Meaning the context CDT used it in was acceptable?

I could agree with that. And I do agree that some bigots do use the term in a racially charged manor. But what term do bigots not make into a racial epithet?
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Bigots of all colors will always be bigots. I think racism is both wrong and stupid. The difference between races are skin pigments. That's no real difference except to the eye.

We are all bros and sis on this planet, and others try to divide us. Guess what??? It ain't workin.
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
You're misunderstanding something...
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I think I am, and I'm sorry for it. That was tempered rage lol.

You seem like you have the right intentions. I won't call a black guy a thug because he's black. Now those black guys who try to mug me, their thugs like any other race that does the same.
 
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lincolncovol said:
My opinion will not be popular on this subject. Thug is not the new n word to me. Thugs come in all colors shapes and sizes.
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Amen, brother and thank you. All this politically-correct over-sensitivity needs to go away, BIG TIME. Just look what it has done to our nation and our culture. For God's sake, quit redefining the English language.
 
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Burger said:
I think I am, and I'm sorry for it. That was tempered rage lol.

You seem like you have the right intentions. I won't call a black guy a thug because he's black. Now those black guys who try to mug me, their thugs like any other race that does the same.
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:hi: I know what you mean, and I never thought you had any racist tendencies. I also agree with some stuff you brought up, it's just the underlying principle I was arguing about. In the end, neither of us are wanting to perpetuate racism.
 
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utvolpj said:
it still has absolutely nothing to do with what people on the outside think he meant. The only issue is whether it could hurt him when selling UT basketball to the kids he needs in order to win. He could have made the same point without using a word that caused an uproar just a couple months ago
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You're probably right. It's an incredible shame that this is even an issue. Unfortunately the politically correct and race baiters have been very effective pushing their agenda.
 
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Burger said:
I don't see how it is derogatory. Any race can be a thug not just blacks. It sounds like you're equating a word to a race. Just because jacksonians want it to be offensive doesn't mean it is.

Why should we let the extreme left determine connotations? This is as stupid as *****ing about the lack of AA baseball players.

Are you familiar with the Mafia days? Those guys were thugs.
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What is a Jacksonian?
 
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1972 Grad said:
Jacksonian used to refer to Andrew Jackson's democracy for commoners. I'm thinking Jesse followers in this thread.
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In the context of his statement he was implying Jacksonians as those who "follow" and/or believe in the ideas of Jesse Jackson, whether on this forum or not.
 
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