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OrangeInKy said:
Some of our fans are hardwired to blame the AD for pretty much anything. They aslo seem to equate being the UT bball coach with donating a kidney. "We cany get anyone to do it".
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So the guy who gets paid well to hire/fire the coaches and run the athletic department is not responsible?
 
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LocoVol said:
to much work for me i wait for you fine people to bring the info back here lol,
VolNation forum, click refresh, VolNation forum, click refresh, VolNation forum, click refresh
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This. I have found there is only about a 60-120 second delay on information to this forum. I'll wait the extra minute...
 
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The very fact that this is taking some time should be encouraging about Hart. It isn't just about getting a coach that can win, it's about defending the interest of the university. There are 4 parts to this:


1. Is there mutual interest? We want coach, and coach wants us?
2. Is the compensation package acceptable to both parties?
3. What are the coach's guarantees and protections?
4. What are the school's guarantees and protections?


The first 2 are resolved. One or both of the last 2 are the issue. If Hart walks away because of point 4, it is because he refuses to put is into the same position Hammy did. It isn't an issue of whether we *can* hire White...it's whether the terms are acceptable.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
The sooner people realize Tennessee is not a "destination job" for the top basketball coaches of the world, the better. As fans we like to think that our Vols are on par with just about anyone. That is just not reality and especially with basketball. I had mentioned Tom Izzo in a thread earlier. The man makes 3.7 million a year and his resume CRUSHES Gregg Marshall. But throw 3-4 million at Marshall? Really? When fans are not writing the check, it's easy to throw cash talk around.
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This is all correct, and I would add that we can't pay the basketball coach more than the football coach at this school.
 
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SSVol said:
The very fact that this is taking some time should be encouraging about Hart. It isn't just about getting a coach that can win, it's about defending the interest of the university. There are 4 parts to this:


1. Is there mutual interest? We want coach, and coach wants us?
2. Is the compensation package acceptable to both parties?
3. What are the coach's guarantees and protections?
4. What are the school's guarantees and protections?


The first 2 are resolved. One or both of the last 2 are the issue. If Hart walks away because of point 4, it is because he refuses to put is into the same position Hammy did. It isn't an issue of whether we *can* hire White...it's whether the terms are acceptable.
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As the man making the decisions, Hart has to be willing to draw a line in the sand and stick to it. There are ALOT of basketball coaches around the country making MUCH less than the 1.8 Hart was going to give Zo. Hart has to find the best situation for Tennessee. I'm confident he will do that.
 
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SSVol said:
The very fact that this is taking some time should be encouraging about Hart. It isn't just about getting a coach that can win, it's about defending the interest of the university. There are 4 parts to this:


1. Is there mutual interest? We want coach, and coach wants us?
2. Is the compensation package acceptable to both parties?
3. What are the coach's guarantees and protections?
4. What are the school's guarantees and protections?


The first 2 are resolved. One or both of the last 2 are the issue. If Hart walks away because of point 4, it is because he refuses to put is into the same position Hammy did. It isn't an issue of whether we *can* hire White...it's whether the terms are acceptable.
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This line of thinking is much better than the doom and gloom that's been posted.
 
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Vol knight said:
This line of thinking is much better than the doom and gloom that's been posted.
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It's just funny to me that some complain that we can't hire a coach from LT and Hart is dropping the ball, and others complain that a coach from LT isn't a guaranteed success. Which is the whole point. Hart is trying to get a guy that fits the current budget, who can win, won't bolt once he does, but whom we can get rid of if he doesn't work out. That ain't easy y'all.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
As the man making the decisions, Hart has to be willing to draw a line in the sand and stick to it. There are ALOT of basketball coaches around the country making MUCH less than the 1.8 Hart was going to give Zo. Hart has to find the best situation for Tennessee. I'm confident he will do that.
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If he's drawing a line and sticking to it then why the F have they been negotiating for 4 days?
 
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Michael White is willing agree to a deal that makes it it difficult for UT to fire him for 4-5 years and hard for him to leave UT for 4-5 years.

If you want a coach that badly and he is willing to stay married to you, why so much fear to pull the trigger?

The apparent answer is that Hart wants to hire on the cheap and be in a position to fire and hire again at the drop of a hat if all does not go well.

Thus we see the perils of hiring cheap labor. When all is done, it is not so cheap.

Go ahead and call Gregg Marshal if you want guaranteed success. It will cost you, but it will also be a less risky investment.
 
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Tux said:
Michael White is willing agree to a deal that makes it it difficult for UT to fire him for 4-5 years and hard for him to leave UT for 4-5 years.

If you want a coach that badly and he is willing to stay married to you, why so much fear to pull the trigger?

The apparent answer is that Hart wants to hire on the cheap and be in a position to fire and hire again at the drop of a hat if all does not go well.

Thus we see the perils of hiring cheap labor. When all is done, it is not so cheap.

Go ahead and call Gregg Marshal if you want guaranteed success. It will cost you, but it will also be a less risky investment.
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Obviously Hart did not want him that badly. If he did, he would have gave the buyouts it took to get him.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
Obviously Hart did not want him that badly. If he did, he would have gave the buyouts it took to get him.
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What does that say about Tennessee's commitment to basketball?

Are we even trying to hire a good coach or just trying to make a cosmetic hire and hope that by throwing some mud on the wall, it just might stick?
 
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Tux said:
What does that say about Tennessee's commitment to basketball?

Are we even trying to hire a good coach or just trying to make a cosmetic hire and hope that by throwing some mud on the wall, it just might stick?
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It's business. There is a point when the deal is just not worth the cost. Hart not giving everything he had to so White would sign on tells me the cost was just not a good investment for Tennessee.
 
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SSVol said:
It's just funny to me that some complain that we can't hire a coach from LT and Hart is dropping the ball, and others complain that a coach from LT isn't a guaranteed success. Which is the whole point. Hart is trying to get a guy that fits the current budget, who can win, won't bolt once he does, but whom we can get rid of if he doesn't work out. That ain't easy y'all.
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Would Howland not fit your criteria?
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
It's business. There is a point when the deal is just not worth the cost. Hart not giving everything he had to so White would sign on tells me the cost was just not a good investment for Tennessee.
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How do you know he had to give everything he had, how do you know White's demands weren't completely reasonable?
 
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Since Dave Hart is determined to hire a coach on the cheap, why not hire a high school basketball coach. I'm sure he could get by paying him $100,000 per year with a low buyout. After all, it appears that is what is important in his search for a new coach.
 
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