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VKAman said:
Probably because ADs don't want to pay 2.5-3 mil to land him. What's your point?
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I doubt it. There have been plenty of openings the he has put his name out there for. There has to be more to it... That's my point..


Also I'm not saying Wade over howland, but I think his future is bright
 
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TheTruthSreader said:
Well, I follow a lot of coaching searches. Almost every good program that has had an opening this year has had fans wanting Howland. Yet, nobody has hired him.

We call that a clue. If you ignore the clues, you usually lose in the end.

Maybe he is just a bad interview. Or maybe there is something more.

A good example of this is Russ Springmann at Texas. The guys is a top quality assistant, interviews for a lot of jobs, but never get them. The guy is a great recruiter (take a look at the Texas list from the past 10 years), and has done well under Barnes. Yet he is never given a second glance.

I asked an Asst. AD who interviewed him once what the problem was. He told me that they loved the bio, but the guy just did not interview well. That happens sometimes. These are usually quick hires (weeks not months) and you have to make quick decision. I heard last year that Springmann was aware of the problem and was getting help with improving his interview skills. Let's see what happens.

With Howland you could look past a bad interview. Great past. But another retread. And again, there is the question. Why did not XXX or YYY not hire him already.

I will keep coming back to this- Do you want a coach that comes to you to build a program? Or do you want a guy who is just looking for a job?

And now you got another good program looking for a coach. While you sit reading rumor of which way a plane traveled.
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Howland is a bad interview before he even opens his mouth.

UCLA didn't just get rid of him because of his on-court results; they got rid of him because his way of running a program made consistent, positive on-court results impossible.

This was only 1 of many articles on the scandalous revelations during his UCLA tenure...

Partying, players disrespecting program led to problems at UCLA - SI.com - Magazine
 
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G8R8U2 said:
Howland is a bad interview before he even opens his mouth.

UCLA didn't just get rid of him because of his on-court results; they got rid of him because his way of running a program made consistent, positive on-court results impossible.

This was only 1 of many articles on the scandalous revelations during his UCLA tenure...

Partying, players disrespecting program led to problems at UCLA - SI.com - Magazine
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I'd like to have a dollar for every time this article has been linked.

Someone tell me what he did that is so bad that would make you overlook success at multiple stops over multiple decades.
 
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11 players leaving the program in 4 years is a pretty bad indictment...you can say its the players,but he's going to have to recruit those same type players here... UCLA canned him off of a Pac 10 title...thats a stinging endorsement as well...
 
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BigZiti09 said:
I'd like to have a dollar for every time this article has been linked.

Someone tell me what he did that is so bad that would make you overlook success at multiple stops over multiple decades.
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As I said, that's only 1 of many articles; and if there are several public ones, there might be some behavior that was kept in-house as well.

If there weren't some red flags one would think he'd have gotten a job by now... there have been some openings in the 13 months since he was fired.

Maybe the public just isn't privy to some of the more distasteful things that an AD or search committee might uncover while vetting candidates.

As far as overlooking success, obviously UCLA didn't feel that his level of success was anything to write home about; or at least wasn't enough to make them overlook the negative things that were happening to their program under his guidance.

As many times as the article's been linked, have you actually stopped to click on it and read it? Everything in it would give an AD pause.
 
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G8R8U2 said:
As I said, that's only 1 of many articles; and if there are several public ones, there might be some behavior that was kept in-house as well.

If there weren't some red flags one would think he'd have gotten a job by now... there have been some openings in the 13 months since he was fired.

Maybe the public just isn't privy to some of the more distasteful things that an AD or search committee might uncover while vetting candidates.

As far as overlooking success, obviously UCLA didn't feel that his level of success was anything to write home about; or at least wasn't enough to make them overlook the negative things that were happening to their program under his guidance.

As many times as the article's been linked, have you actually stopped to click on it and read it? Everything in it would give an AD pause.
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I read most of it. Sounded to be like he lost control of his team filled with 5* celebrities.
 
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Wake Forest stupidly fired a very solid basketball coach--the guy who succeeded the coach who tragically died of heart attack, a guy who is a better coach than Martin, and they've been terrible ever since.

RE Howland, the guy lost control of his players--I read an article about it, and it sounded pretty bad. It's a serious red flag and no doubt has hurt his prospects--and rightly so. He'll have to convince an AD that it won't happen again. We should be putting together the best offer we can for marshall and smart--and if they say no, go from there. Ideally, we want to hire a mid-major guy who's proven he can recruit and win--somebody like the guy at Dayton, though I know he's off the board, by all accounts. But that is the type of guy we should be targeting. Amaker would be worth pursuing, too.
 
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armchair said:
Wake Forest stupidly fired a very solid basketball coach--the guy who succeeded the coach who tragically died of heart attack, a guy who is a better coach than Martin, and they've been terrible ever since.

RE Howland, the guy lost control of his players--I read an article about it, and it sounded pretty bad. It's a serious red flag and no doubt has hurt his prospects--and rightly so. He'll have to convince an AD that it won't happen again. We should be putting together the best offer we can for marshall and smart--and if they say no, go from there. Ideally, we want to hire a mid-major guy who's proven he can recruit and win--somebody like the guy at Dayton, though I know he's off the board, by all accounts. But that is the type of guy we should be targeting. Amaker would be worth pursuing, too.
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Smart would be bad, but Amaker would be an absolute disaster.
 
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Amaker??? he was a 55% coach at Seton Hall and Michigan but below 50%
in conference...why would anyone want Amaker? Harvard has eased up the requirements for athletes,I'd say that has some merit to why he has been successful
in the Ivy League and no where else
 
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Why would anyone not want Smart? He has a better resume and style of play than any other coach besides maybe Marshall.
 
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fur burglar said:
^^^ THIS ^^^

Anyone who took a college that no one ever heard of to 2 final fours would be a bad hire.

If we hire Shaka Smart, I'll puke in my shoes.
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He must be the first coach ever to somehow go to 2 Final Fours but only one Sweet Sixteen. Must be a wizard.

Seriously, though, he and Amaker both make a living off of guys who wouldn't qualify academically for any major conference. With Amaker, it's a lot more egregious. He's already shown that he can't coach.
 
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VKAman said:
He must be the first coach ever to somehow go to 2 Final Fours but only one Sweet Sixteen. Must be a wizard.

Seriously, though, he and Amaker both make a living off of guys who wouldn't qualify academically for any major conference. With Amaker, it's a lot more egregious. He's already shown that he can't coach.
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Who do you want to see hired?
 
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k-town_king said:
Why would anyone not want Smart? He has a better resume and style of play than any other coach besides maybe Marshall.
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How exactly is it a better style of play? When's the last time a team won a title playing a Bruce Pearl defense?

I agree that it's more entertaining, but I'd rather not rely on pressure.
 
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armchair said:
Wake Forest stupidly fired a very solid basketball coach--the guy who succeeded the coach who tragically died of heart attack, a guy who is a better coach than Martin, and they've been terrible ever since.
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Dino wasn't that good. He was a decent recruiter, and a mediocre in-game coach. His teams would often start very strong and then proceed to falter at the end of the season.

Additionally, there were many people within Wake's administration that were not happy with the character of the players that Dino recruited to the school. (See: Jamie Skeen, Ty Walker, Tony Woods, Al-Farouq Aminu, etc.)

The real issue is the Dino Gaudio was never going to replace Skip Prosser. Skip embodied everything that Wake wanted in a coach and was taken far too early.

You are right that Wake's been terrible ever since. Bzdelik was just about the worst hire possible. His absence of emotion on the sideline made Cuonzo look like Boeheim before he got that technical this year.
 
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k-town_king said:
White but not Smart?
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I wouldn't take White over Smart. I prefaced that with "if we go cheap," which would eliminate Smart anyway.

If we're actually going to spend to contend, though, I'd take either of the other two over Smart without thinking twice.
 
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VKAman said:
I just answered. Louisville presses, but they don't depend on it. Pitino is excellent in the halfcourt at both ends.
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You are full of it. Pearl's best year he didn't press that much.

But how can you want White or a bunch of others but not Smart? That doesn't make any sense. His resume is great and he has name recognition. Never won less than 26 games with 4 tourneys and a Final Four. Nothing White or any other besides Howland and Marshall have done can even get close to it. And their style of play would turn off most fans who want to see uptempo ball. Not to mention Howland is damaged goods.
 
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you can say that again forget Tubby:clapping::pepper::pepper:
jp1 said:
He's actually a really good coach. We need someone with more experience and this wont make the fanbase happy, but I would take him over Tubby Smith all day long.
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