ESPN NCAAB Blog Write Up on Martin's Departure

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PowerWookie said:
The whole season bro. Our defense minded coach came up with a scheme that let Michigan score nearly 50 on us in one half... Piss poor...Cost us the game and maybe our first final four...

And I like zo but that is the facts jack
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Quite apparent the staff worried too much about what we would do and spent little time on film study and prep of the UM offense. Martin often mentioned being focused on their game and not worrying about what the opponent was going to do and it showed at a bad time. Good late comeback when it was dire. But again, why wait until dire circumstances to play and coach well?
 
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Spartacavolus said:
Yesterdays news. Nobody cares now.

Next!
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Sure - you can keep dreaming that nobody cares. Let's see which next "elite" coach will want to deal with moronic fan base that signs petitions to fire coach who finished top 5 in SEC each of his 3 years (and we are not even known to be basketball school).
 
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Aesius said:
It also amuses me to see how many fans on here take delight in our program getting what it "deserves".
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I don't take delight in CCM leaving at all - but I do get small satisfaction in at least seeing that morons who signed the petition are being called out in national media for what they are.
 
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Yes, lets see who we get and see if we are miserable to watch for almost 3 years. I'll take many coaches with next year's roster over what Martin would do. He'd pound it into Pops and walk it up. Give me somebody that knows how to use DT and Davis. That won't go many games with jrich not involved. That can find a shooter and get him shots. That will play a player like Moore when it's obvious the team is better with him. We need Hubbs next year. How about a coach that can get a player going in his soph year. How about one that can get a freshman going every now and then instead of getting worse under coaching.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
Yes, lets see who we get and see if we are miserable to watch for almost 3 years. I'll take many coaches with next year's roster over what Martin would do. He'd pound it into Pops and walk it up. Give me somebody that knows how to use DT and Davis. That won't go many games with jrich not involved. That can find a shooter and get him shots. That will play a player like Moore when it's obvious the team is better with him. We need Hubbs next year. How about a coach that can get a player going in his soph year. How about one that can get a freshman going every now and then instead of getting worse under coaching.
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Hubbs and JRich seemed very loyal to CCM. Who knows if they will even want to stay.
 
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99gator said:
it's a big part of it.

he was treated like trash by the school and the fan base.

dave hart told him one thing publicly then offered him a nickel for a raise.

i'm in the minority here, but cuonzo has handled this with nothing but class. lord knows, if he were to say what he was feeling what stuff might get said.
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Trash? That is a strong word. Where was he treated like trash? He was well compensated for a coach that has only made one NCAA appearance in his career. Martin seems to be a decent guy but still a coach in a very dirty business. Like all of them he has done a couple of things in recruiting that might not be seen as that "moral" to some. The outcome is best for both parties to split now. Not saying that trying to besmirch the man only to make the point it is a high pressure job that these guys know the moment they choose it.
 
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99gator said:
i don't think zo was the man for the program either.

however, i am struggling to see where the article is wrong
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It's wrong at the "joke is on Tennessee, or Tennessee is the joke". I didn't really want him to leave necessarily, but I'm not mad that he's gone. We can make an upgrade hire with any number of coaches and I see that happening.

We will probably have some growing pains this upcoming year, but in the long run him leaving can help us more than it hurt us.

Also, I'm laughing that you think that a 500k raise is a "nickel raise". He didn't deserve 2 million plus.
 
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TN1 said:
WRONG AGAIN!
Most fans wanted Martin here. They could clearly see the progress and improvement being made in Tennessee basketball under Martin. No, it was the short-sighted, immature, irrational, toxic minority within the "fan base" that led to this unfortunate departure.

You are no Tennessee fan. Just get lost.
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No you're not the Tennessee fan nor do you have much basketball knowledge. I know of very few that thought Cuonzo was ever a coach that could take TN to a level that could compete for SEC championshis on a semi regular basis or even get in the tournament more than once out of every three years.

You're the one that needs to get lost. You're the one that caused the situation that we find ourselves because of your continued acceptance of mediocrity. You're the one that's ok with what little success Cuonzo has had here. You need to go cheer for some team that where the standards are slightly lower. See how that works?
 
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99gator said:
i don't think zo was the man for the program either.

however, i am struggling to see where the article is wrong
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I think it has been absolutely asinine - and a huge failure of our AD - that the media has been able to get away with blaming our fans. The same fans that put to shame Gator turn-out as the #1 team in the nation. When we held the top spot under Pearl, and long after, we rocked TBA.

And you're a basketball school now.

Tennessee fans have more than earned the right to be critical. The real problem was Bama Dave did not support Zo and did nothing to prepare for the transition which he wanted.
 
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We beat Mercer to get to the Sweet 16. I was excited to be there too but our roster was too good and our schedule too easy to have to "play in" to the field of 64. There are a hundred coaches that could have beaten UMass and Mercer with our roster.
 
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I have been conditioning my thought process and now I am ready for the next UT Head basketball coaching hire.

I totally expect my first word to be, "Who?"
 
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thebjd said:
We beat Mercer to get to the Sweet 16. I was excited to be there too but our roster was too good and our schedule too easy to have to "play in" to the field of 64. There are a hundred coaches that could have beaten UMass and Mercer with our roster.
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This is what the national media is ignoring. Martin was and is an under achiever. Having 1-5 seed talent and barely making a play-in seed was a horrible coaching job.
 
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Great fact checking by the blogger. Did you guys know we have hired four football coaches in 6 years? Because i was pretty sure Fulmer got hired in 1993. Just saying.
 
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thebjd said:
There are a hundred coaches that could have beaten UMass and Mercer with our roster.
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So why didn't those hundred coaches recruit the players on our roster but CCM did? I guess he must be a great evaluator and developer of talent. Are you also saying there are hundreds of coaches out there that could have finished top 5 in SEC in their first 3 years, and while doing that also beaten UF multiple times, demolished UK by 30+, doubled up Vandy?
 
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TGVol said:
So why didn't those hundred coaches recruit the players on our roster but CCM did? I guess he must be a great evaluator and developer of talent. Are you also saying there are hundreds of coaches out there that could have finished top 5 in SEC in their first 3 years, and while doing that also beaten UF multiple times, demolished UK by 30+, doubled up Vandy?
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There were 60 coaches that didn't have to play in this year. He inherited a top 15-20 basketball program. The SEC has been terrible the past three years. Top five in the SEC in basketball is not a great accomplishment. This is not a basketball conference. I am saying there are a hundred coaches that could have taken that team and made the field without having to play into it. As to your recruiting and developer there is no evidence he is either. He bailed at the right time knowing Stokes was leaving and what was coming back. He not only got lucky with the draw in the tournament but can also play the victim as he bails and have someone else come in try to do something with the roster he is leaving behind.
 
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thebjd said:
There were 60 coaches that didn't have to play in this year. He inherited a top 15-20 basketball program. The SEC has been terrible the past three years. Top five in the SEC in basketball is not a great accomplishment.
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CCM inherited a program in disarray after Pearl firing. He recruited Stokes and JRich and turned them into great players and key contributors. McRae also developed into much better player under CCM than it could have been anticipated (he was a bench warmer). SEC had 3 teams in sweet 16 and 2 in final four this year. CCM also had a higher winning percentage in his 3 years at UT than Bruce Pearl (who I love) had in his last 3 years.
Seems like facts are your enemy.
 
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Two points of note not mentioned in this melodramatic column: Jordan McRae and Jeronne Maymon were both recruited by Bruce Pearl which underscores how average Martin's recruiting was...Also, I'm not sure how many DIFFERENT people signed that online petition or whether or not they were even Vol fans at all and neither does Dana O'Neil. You can bet that it wasn't 36K, however. That petition received a lot of criticism on VN and did not speak for the entire fan base or even a small portion of it. Cuonzo is gone because he wanted a large buyout to prevent him from being fired after a losing season next year. I'm glad we didn't give it to him.
 
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TGVol said:
CCM inherited a program in disarray after Pearl firing. He recruited Stokes and JRich and turned them into great players and key contributors. McRae also developed into much better player under CCM than it could have been anticipated (he was a bench warmer). SEC had 3 teams in sweet 16 and 2 in final four this year. CCM also had a higher winning percentage in his 3 years at UT than Bruce Pearl (who I love) had in his last 3 years.
Seems like facts are your enemy.
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One fact is he made one NCAA tournament in three years and had to play into the field of 64 the one time he got in. Who do we have next year coming back from the recruiting prowess of Martin? The truth is I think it was wise to not over-pay for Martin. Stokes has not improved significantly since he walked on campus. I didn't sign a petition but don't care that there was one either. I am very comfortable with the facts. You also mentioned wins against Kentucky and Florida. He was 0-4 against them this year. You mentioned the Vandy team he "doubled up" but left out the fact that same Vandy team beat him so he was .500 gainst Vandy this year. He is also 0-2 against Memphis.

Edited following fact check
 
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thebjd said:
The facts are he made one NCAA tournament in three years and had to play into the field of 64 the one time he got in. Who do we have next year coming back from the recruiting prowess of Martin? The truth is I think it was wise to not over-pay for Martin. Stokes has not improved significantly since he walked on campus. I didn't sign a petition but don't care that there was one either. I am very comfortable with the facts.
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You stated one fact. The rest is just your opinion. The article stated facts, plural. That is a fact.
 
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Defaultuser said:
You stated one fact. The rest is just your opinion. The article stated facts, plural. That is a fact.
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I edited my post with a few facts. The article is an opinion piece as well.

It was also a fact that I didn't sign the petiton. That makes it facts, plural. :)
 
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thebjd said:
I am very comfortable with the facts. You also mentioned wins against Kentucky and Florida. You mentioned the Vandy team he "doubled up" but left out the fact that same Vandy team beat him so he was .500 gainst Vandy this year. I am going from memory but I believe he is 2-12 against UK and UF while coaching here and 0-2 against Memphis.
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He can't be 2-12 against UK and UF since as UT coach CCM won his first 3 games vs UF alone (and won at least one vs UK which was the 30+ pt blowout - biggest win for UT vs UK in history).

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