Cuonzo should have been fired.

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Stopped at this...


Player development: C- : Stokes never progressed beyond his first year talent. The raw talent on this team carried it as far as it could go, despite Cuonzo.
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Pretty clear you're clueless.
 
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cncchris33 said:
I think you are way over the top with your overall assessment honestly, though I agree with some of your grades.

I do question your mentioning of JRich as his only recruit of note that had produced though. Stokes came in and produced right away and did so for two and a half years. I think Thompson and Hubbs will produce in time as well, and all of the incoming freshmen if they stick.

And player development. I think he got a lot out of McRae, Maymon, JRich, Stokes. Those players are all better than when they got to Tennessee. They all improved every season too. It's hard to knock his player development.

I'm with you on the other areas. In game coaching, while improving, was lacking even into the latter parts of his third season. Personality was terrible along with media relations.
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I think his player development was fine. His recruiting was really bad.
 
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PerneVedisUncool said:
I think his player development was fine. His recruiting was really bad.
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He gets a pass on his first class. His second class was a disaster (Reese and Edwards). His third class was solid (Hubbs, Thompson, Davis, Pops). His fourth class will be solid too IMO if it sticks.

I wouldn't term that really bad. Three 5* players in four years is decent. Overall, it wasn't what we had grown accustomed to from Pearl, but Pearl had his misses too.
 
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SmokeyLives said:
He was a Hamilton last gasp coaching project. He played for Gene Keady, but he didn't coach like Keady. He was and is a coaching project in progress.

Recruiting: C- : Josh Richardson is the only guy he brought in who has produced. We still don't have a point guard. Roster unsettled and shaky at best.

Player development: C- : Stokes never progressed beyond his first year talent. The raw talent on this team carried it as far as it could go, despite Cuonzo.

In game coaching: D. : it's well documented on this and other sites how poorly Cuonzo managed timeouts. Half time adjustments, rotation, game situations, all pathetic.

Off the court: A : no Pilot station drama, no recruiting violations. Academic excellence though? Not. But a good job in this area overall.

Public relations: F : epic fail. Couldn't even hear the man speak. Rarely projected enthusiasm for the job or the school. Did not ever from day one rally fan support.

Tournaments: D : yeah, he made a run to the sweet sixteen over Iowa, UMass, and Mercer. Notable but these teams wouldn't be 500 in the SEC, which is down. Played Florida tough? Once. Mediocre in the conference. Two NIT appearances with two ugly losses. Basically, nothing to see here.

In summary, glad he's gone. Let's get a real coach.
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Everyone has an opinion, I respect that. This verbal vomit is truly one of the more simpleminded, laughable, foolish comments I've heard in some time. This is exactly why this fan base is the laughing stock of college BB.
 
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By not firing Zo it worked out 1.3 million reasons better for TN. Hart just raised 1.3 million dollars for the university... Good job Dave.
 
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hamburgerVol said:
He hit the reset button knowing there was a huge possibility he would have been fired after next year. He knew his ship was sinking so he bailed.
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For this reason solely, no one can blame him. It was best for both parties. Let's move on! GBO
 
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Sometimes you have to be the villain to get what you want...In this case the fans were the bad guys...We made him feel unwelcome because we were tired of mediocrity...We did the exact same thing to Bill Battle....Over time it benefited us the fans and the university...Sometimes you just want BETTER...Fans pay to see the product, if they don't like what they see they stop going to the games and lets all be honest here it is all about making money....Hart needs to realize that now that CCM is gone he needs to make that home run hire to fill those seats...The more seats filled the more money made...Play it cheap and the same results will happen.
 
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SmokeyLives said:
He was a Hamilton last gasp coaching project. He played for Gene Keady, but he didn't coach like Keady. He was and is a coaching project in progress.

Recruiting: C- : Josh Richardson is the only guy he brought in who has produced. We still don't have a point guard. Roster unsettled and shaky at best.

Player development: C- : Stokes never progressed beyond his first year talent. The raw talent on this team carried it as far as it could go, despite Cuonzo.

In game coaching: D. : it's well documented on this and other sites how poorly Cuonzo managed timeouts. Half time adjustments, rotation, game situations, all pathetic.

Off the court: A : no Pilot station drama, no recruiting violations. Academic excellence though? Not. But a good job in this area overall.

Public relations: F : epic fail. Couldn't even hear the man speak. Rarely projected enthusiasm for the job or the school. Did not ever from day one rally fan support.

Tournaments: D : yeah, he made a run to the sweet sixteen over Iowa, UMass, and Mercer. Notable but these teams wouldn't be 500 in the SEC, which is down. Played Florida tough? Once. Mediocre in the conference. Two NIT appearances with two ugly losses. Basically, nothing to see here.

In summary, glad he's gone. Let's get a real coach.
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WELL SAID! Best post so far concerning Martin leaving!
:good!::salute:
 
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fade route said:
Maybe you guys should realize that Tennessee will forever be a football school. When most people think about Tennessee basketball, they automatically think women's basketball. That's just the reality of the situation. Those longing for UT to be a 2 sport juggernaut need to realize that there are only a handful of schools able to accomplish that, and it takes a full commitment from the athletic dept and AD to make that happen, and I just don't see Hart and company having that commitment. JMO
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I get sick of seeing this posted. Please point out where ANYONE has ever stated that we're a basketball school. And funny for a "women's basketball" school, our men's team has better attendance and better ratings, and you only need to pay attention to the last 3 years to see that way more people COMPLAINED about the men's team than talked about the women's team at all.
 
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cncchris33 said:
I think you are way over the top with your overall assessment honestly, though I agree with some of your grades.

I do question your mentioning of JRich as his only recruit of note that had produced though. Stokes came in and produced right away and did so for two and a half years. I think Thompson and Hubbs will produce in time as well, and all of the incoming freshmen if they stick.

And player development. I think he got a lot out of McRae, Maymon, JRich, Stokes. Those players are all better than when they got to Tennessee. They all improved every season too. It's hard to knock his player development.

I'm with you on the other areas. In game coaching, while improving, was lacking even into the latter parts of his third season. Personality was terrible along with media relations.
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That's one of the biggest problems I had with him. I didn't expect him to be another Pearl, but it's hard for the fan base to embrace you if you don't embrace them back. It's like he always had his guard up. I'm sure that is just his personality, but he never really sold the program. That is a fault he'll have to correct.
 
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No wonder he left. We have the least knowledgeable fans around. Stupid sh.. like this may keep a good coach away. If anybody agrees with any of this they know nothing about basketball.
 
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Gramps said:
By not firing Zo it worked out 1.3 million reasons better for TN. Hart just raised 1.3 million dollars for the university... Good job Dave.
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When is the last time we could say that an AD saved the University money?
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
I get sick of seeing this posted. Please point out where ANYONE has ever stated that we're a basketball school. And funny for a "women's basketball" school, our men's team has better attendance and better ratings, and you only need to pay attention to the last 3 years to see that way more people COMPLAINED about the men's team than talked about the women's team at all.
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Silly post. Yes the mens' attendance has been better, simply because most sports fans are men, and most men couldn't care less about women's basketball. It might not be PC to say that, but it's true. But the fact is that the women's team has had far more success by any metric you care to use in terms if success, other than financial. But fans don't care whether a college team makes money, but rather if it wins or not.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
Silly post. Yes the mens' attendance has been better, simply because most sports fans are men, and most men couldn't care less about women's basketball. It might not be PC to say that, but it's true. But the fact is that the women's team has had far more success by any metric you care to use in terms if success, other than financial. But fans don't care whether a college team makes money, but rather if it wins or not.
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If that were true, more fans would care about the women's team than the men. You yourself just said the men's team has better attendance and ratings, and makes more money, so obviously you're wrong.
 
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Notorious B.E.N said:
And that was ironic.
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You called??

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SmokeyLives said:
Why do you wanna make this personal, Jethro?

Idiocy is defined by doing the same thing over and over while expecting a different result. As an example, limping into the NIT only to lose early in the tournament because your guys aren't "motivated". Limping into the NCAA play in game and stomping sub par competition which should have never been an issue( Tex A/M twice, Vandy, UTEP, Mercer a year ago, on and on and on).

Idiocy is supporting Cuonzo Martin who ran like a frightened elementary school girl, didn't even address his team in person.

Complete idiocy is represented by you, Jethro, or known here by your screen name "smokeybluetick the idiot".
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I'll agree with Smokeybluetick on this one. Pat Forde is right about the fan base reeking of unrealistic entitlement. People take this stuff personally because they side with a coach that they liked over fellow fans that apply a football perspective to college basketball.
 
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volsteel said:
Everyone has an opinion, I respect that. This verbal vomit is truly one of the more simpleminded, laughable, foolish comments I've heard in some time. This is exactly why this fan base is the laughing stock of college BB.
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Thanks for contributing Mrs. Martin. Good luck in Berkley.
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VolsSportsFan said:
If that were true, more fans would care about the women's team than the men. You yourself just said the men's team has better attendance and ratings, and makes more money, so obviously you're wrong.
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OK, let me rephrase. Success isn't determined by financial gain. The women's basketball and softball teams have been far more successful in winning as of late than the men's basketball teams, but because men are not interested in those sports, they do not have the following nor financial reward. My point there was that even though the men's team makes more money and have a bigger following, they aren't as successful. Most fans do not care that they have reaped more financial reward, nor that they are more "popular", but are pizzed that they do not win championships.

What is gonna be interesting going forward is where this Northwestern lawsuit to unionize is going to go. I firmly believe that if it happens, and players want a cut of the gate for playing football, then that will not be good for other sports at the University.. many of them men's sports too. UT has a fairly rich swimming history for example... baseball.. tennis... Who's gonna pay for that if the Berry twins are getting a big chunk of the take at Neyland? Then there's the one and done issue that will arise in college football after that....
 
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