Put Up Or Shut Up Time For UTAD and Fans

#26
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utvolz98 said:
Please share the statistics of how the Tommy Bowl has made more money than Neyland, which is over 3 times as large.
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Don't know what he meant, but my guess is basketball's ROI has been better aside from what the schools generate from TV money. Basketball has certainly been more successful compared to its expenses.
 
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#27
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T.N. Buckingham said:
A bad football school right now. We're fortunate we've had good basketball teams while our football has been bottom-level for the last several years. Imagine what things would've been like if both programs had been at the same level of performance?

Making the attempt to have a strong basketball standard is not incompatible with the goals and ambitions of the football program.

Take a look at Florida sometime. Think paying Donovan at an elite-level hurts their football program? There is one thing that has hurt Florida football, and it isn't basketball excellence. It is a defensive coordinator-turned-head coach who has in the past employed a stone age offense that couldn't score on Georgia Southern.

You get what you are willing to pay for in sports. When you hire on the cheap, you tend to receive a level of quality that reflects that decision.

Tennessee has all the advantages necessary to become a top-level basketball program that earns revenue for the athletic department. The only thing that holds us back is an attitude from the leadership that success can be achieved with regularity at bargain-basement prices.
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Yup it's the ****ty attitude like RoynWendy has.
 
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RoyNWendy said:
I get what you are saying but basketball has not been any better than the football team since Pearl was fired.
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How you figure that?

The basketball team has been winning over 60% of their games since Pearl was fired. The football team is winning what…about 40% of it's games in that time.
 
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Tux said:
The UT football team has not been bowling and has earned little bowl money if any. The UT basketball program has won at a higher percentage than the football team, has more winning seasons than the football team, and has earned more post-season money from the NCAA Tourney than the football program has earned over the past several years. Thats how.
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Dooley went to one bowl. Zo went to one post season. Same amount of time for both.
 
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T.N. Buckingham said:
A bad football school right now. We're fortunate we've had good basketball teams while our football has been bottom-level for the last several years. Imagine what things would've been like if both programs had been at the same level of performance?

Making the attempt to have a strong basketball standard is not incompatible with the goals and ambitions of the football program.

Take a look at Florida sometime. Think paying Donovan at an elite-level hurts their football program? There is one thing that has hurt Florida football, and it isn't basketball excellence. It is a defensive coordinator-turned-head coach who has in the past employed a stone age offense that couldn't score on Georgia Southern.

You get what you are willing to pay for in sports. When you hire on the cheap, you tend to receive a level of quality that reflects that decision.

Tennessee has all the advantages necessary to become a top-level basketball program that earns revenue for the athletic department. The only thing that holds us back is an attitude from the leadership that success can be achieved with regularity at bargain-basement prices.
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This. This. This.
 
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The UT basketball job is a gold mine as far as the facilities and history and close proximity of Georgia and Kentucky as well as Tennessee for recruiting.

Basketball can hoist the Tennessee brand while football gets back on its feet.
 
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#33
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Tux said:
How you figure that?

The basketball team has been winning over 60% of their games since Pearl was fired. The football team is winning what…about 40% of it's games in that time.
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Percentages don't mean much if you don't make the dance or go bowling. You stated bball made more in post season play but they haven't been anymore than the football
 
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Tux said:
The UT football team has not been bowling and has earned little bowl money if any. The UT basketball program has won at a higher percentage than the football team, has more winning seasons than the football team, and has earned more post-season money from the NCAA Tourney than the football program has earned over the past several years. Thats how.
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The revenue still doesn't equal what football brings in. Even for the "little" games during losing seasons Neyland has twice the fans in attendance as does Thompson Boling. That equates to double the ticket money, concessions, and merchandise purchases. Not to mention TV money. Unless the UT doubles the size of the Tommy Bowl and jacks up bball ticket prices then draws enough fans to fill it, basketball revenue will not sniff the surface of football revenue.
 
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RoyNWendy said:
Percentages don't mean much if you don't make the dance or go bowling. You stated bball made more in post season play but they haven't been anymore than the football
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You are not too bright my friend.
 
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RoyNWendy said:
Dooley went to one bowl. Zo went to one post season. Same amount of time for both.
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Lol yea you need to go back to the football forum if you don't understand the difference between going to the sweet sixteen in year 3 and losing a bowl game in year one and never going to another bowl after that.
 
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VolGee4 said:
Don't know what he meant, but my guess is basketball's ROI has been better aside from what the schools generate from TV money. Basketball has certainly been more successful compared to its expenses.
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Without question, but it's not making more revenue than football. Common sense tells you that.
 
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OrangeAllDay said:
Lol yea you need to go back to the football forum if you don't understand the difference between going to the sweet sixteen in year 3 and losing a bowl game in year one and never going to another bowl after that.
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Talking about money not which team got closer to a title.
 
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All coaches are not bought by throwing big salaries at them. If you google salaries of AA coaches you'd be surprised at what they make.
Example:
23 highest paid
Syracuse
ACC
Jim Boeheim
$1,818,661

Think you could offer him $2.5M and he'd come to UT. I doubt it
 
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a vol n tears said:
All coaches are not bought by throwing big salaries at them. If you google salaries of AA coaches you'd be surprised at what they make.
Example:
23 highest paid
Syracuse
ACC
Jim Boeheim
$1,818,661

Think you could offer him $2.5M and he'd come to UT. I doubt it
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I don't but I think he is hilarious.
 
#44
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utvolz98 said:
Isn't that the goal for all programs anywhere? To try to win championships, thus fan support and more money. The thing is, basketball at nearly any school isn't floating the ship.
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Yeah football is obviously the bread and butter of the university. I'll admit I don't know about what it takes to keep the ship afloat speaking of the AD. But it should always be about winning at the end of the day. If not, why even have the sport.
 
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utvolz98 said:
Without question, but it's not making more revenue than football. Common sense tells you that.
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No. But if you take out all of the outside money, basketball has outperformed football in the last decade. That is why several of us suggest actually spending the money for a good coach and both should be exceptional. I think that is what he is getting at.
 
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RoyNWendy said:
I get what you are saying but basketball has not been any better than the football team since Pearl was fired.
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I grew up in the 1970s. You better believe we need strong basketball when the football program can't sort itself out.

We haven't been great in basketball these last three years. But we have been competitive in the conference and have experienced post-season success in hoops.

In football, we've spent more time getting curb-stomped than competing. And in our one bowl game we lost to the team our old AD and football coach ran and hid from.

When you decide North Carolina is too difficult for you to play as an OOC matchup, it serves as an indicator of just how bad you are in football.

We haven't felt a similar need to run and hide in basketball. Indeed, programs (hello Tiger High) run from us.
 
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VolGee4 said:
No. But if you take out all of the outside money, basketball has outperformed football in the last decade. That is why several of us suggest actually spending the money for a good coach and both should be exceptional. I think that is what he is getting at.
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So have women's basketball, softball, and baseball to some degree. Not saying it's right, but it's all about the money.
 
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utvolz98 said:
No ones saying UT shouldn't try to win championships in all sports, just pointing out why all sports not named football aren't on a level playing field when it comes to making and spending money.
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Can't win championships if you don't spend money. Also if we don't spend money that top 10 attendance is going to go down. Their is no point in going to games if the administration is not committed to winning in basketball. I understand football is the money maker but in the past 10 years we've done more in Bball than football and that's just fact.
 
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The bottom line is that all of the fans who signed the petition should encourage Dave Hart to pay whatever it takes to attract a top name like Marshall, Smart, Hoiberg, etc.., even if the salary is more than Butch Jones's salary.

It is time to get over "the football coach has to earn more than the basketball coach" train of thought. Florida does not screw around in paying Billy Donovan, why should we screw around in paying our next hire.

If the petition signers can't behind this, then they need to shut their pie holes, because their actions and words mean nothing and are nothing but hypocrisy.
 
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