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#76
#76
patrick said:
I went to just about every home game and never heard anyone chanting BBB or any version of Bring Back Bruce. Apparently you weren't attending the games to know for sure.
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Im pretty sure back when it was being brought up that BTO was stating that it had never been chanted lol
 
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#78
#78
bleedingTNorange said:
Once again, criticism is fine, the extreme some went to wasn't, and is what ultimately cost us 2 recruits. And as I mentioned, if not for the early signing period would've cost us more than that probably.
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Or maybe it was the piss poor play and terrible looking game plan that cost him recruits.

They can deflect all they want on the fans' being upset, but they had every right to bye upset based on play.
 
#79
#79
bowlinggreenvol said:
We were top 10 in attendance despite all of this "negativity". Looks like the $hitty fans vent but still show up to support the team.
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And Martin on 104.5 talked about the tremendous fan support and the "100's of 1000's" of calls, texts, emails, letters, words by passersby...

This is big boy business. Top 10 in attendance, nationwide and local support, and people will always whine about a silly petition that most people, if not fake sigs, signed assuming he was gone and were sick of ugly hoops. Akin to standing outside picketing with a sign, but saying we were sick of the product. The effort I put into signing it was my wife telling me there was a fb page. She said, "I just signed it. I don't like watching anymore". I said, "write my name on there too."
So hateful of me, I know.
 
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#82
The worst thing about signing that petition...I'm on some bleeding-heart email list that wants me to save spotted frogs and allow people to marry their weed :cool2:
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bleedingTNorange said:
If you went to games this year like you claim then surely you understand the difference between "announced attendance" and "actual attendance".

Funny thing is our attendance very likely won't be top 10 :hi:
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We averaged 16,348 this season. Announced attendance or actual attendance is a moot point because all schools will report tickets sold attendance and not turnstile attendance. It's not as if everyone else's attendance is truthful and ours is the only embellished one. That figure would put us pretty damn close to top 10 if not in it.
 
#85
#85
Get sick of hearing about our $hitty fans. Even if basketball attendance is just top 15, that still means a lot of fans put their butts in the seats on late weeknight games at times when the product on the floor was ****e.

I'll take fans complaining over apathy any day. You saw apathy in Buzz Peterson's time and Dooley's last year. Apathy kills programs 1000 times quicker than fan complaints.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I have done enough to see we aren't top 10 :hi:
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How close are we then? 16k+ puts us damn near. And you're arguing semantics as usual. Granted we said top 10, but the point to be taken is this team/university drew better crowds than 300 other university's. That's hardly a representation of $hitty fans. FTR, 16,348 (this years numbers) would've put us at 11 last year.

Edit: Ok my number was wrong. That's what I get for reading an article where the journalist quoted incorrect numbers. Our avg this year would puts right around 17th. Hardly pathetic for a team that was dead in the water halfway through, and crowds that 95% of the kids only see in the NCAA tourney, if they're lucky enough to make it.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
How close are we then? 16k+ puts us damn near. And you're arguing semantics as usual. Granted we said top 10, but the point to be taken is this team/university drew better crowds than 300 other university's. That's hardly a representation of $hitty fans. FTR, 16,348 (this years numbers) would've put us at 11 last year.
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See, I've seen another side argued by the anti Martin's, so I'm not sure which side you're taking. When people were saying how martin was losing fans I would post the attendance numbers. I kept hearing, actual attendance is garbage, it's maybe 10k, that's gonna be a representation of next year.

So now you're gonna argue sold ticket attendance numbers to show fan support though and represent those as actual attendance numbers.

All I was saying was we didn't have top 10 attendance, that's all. If you wanna change the topic or extend the criteria go ahead, I was simply correcting your inaccurate statement.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
See, I've seen another side argued by the anti Martin's, so I'm not sure which side you're taking. When people were saying how martin was losing fans I would post the attendance numbers. I kept hearing, actual attendance is garbage, it's maybe 10k, that's gonna be a representation of next year.

So now you're gonna argue sold ticket attendance numbers to show fan support though and represent those as actual attendance numbers.

All I was saying was we didn't have top 10 attendance, that's all. If you wanna change the topic or extend the criteria go ahead, I was simply correcting your inaccurate statement.
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No one reports actual attendance! Everyone "argues" tickets sold because that's what the university reports, as do all universities. So how am I expanding the criteria? Unless you think our numbers are inflated, which they are, but everyone else's are cold hard asses in the seats numbers.

And the side I'm taking is, CCM, players, recruits etc can ***** all they want about $hitty fan support, but the numbers (what we're given) prove otherwise. Is 14-15k what it was under Bruce? Of course not. But it's better than all but 10-15 schools in the country depending on the year.
 
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bowlinggreenvol said:
No one reports actual attendance! Everyone "argues" tickets sold because that's what the university reports, as do all universities. So how am I expanding the criteria? Unless you think our numbers are inflated, which they are, but everyone else's are cold hard asses in the seats numbers.

And the side I'm taking is, CCM, players, recruits etc can ***** all they want about $hitty fan support, but the numbers (what we're given) prove otherwise. Is 14-15k what it was under Bruce? Of course not. But it's better than all but 10-15 schools in the country depending on the year.
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Do you think a coach/recruit looks into the stands and says, boy this place looks less than half full. Or do you think they look at the box score and say, wow 18k fans were at the game?

Our actual attendance, which as you correctly state can't accurately be counted, is nowhere near what is was Pearl years or even Martin's first 2 years. The tickets sold numbers doesn't show near the drop off that actually occurred, but I don't expect you to admit that.
 
#92
#92
utvolpj said:
I'm sure you're right and it has had zero effect on recruiting or morale and is just a local, message board story. Seriously, it's our passion that should be commended instead of everyone pointing out the sheer idiocy it took the create that petition.

if it had a chance to hurt UT basketball what was the point in doing it?

the security of a coach is a big deal. Looking at a list of 35,000 names who want the coach replaced is hard to overcome
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We had some ugly losses this year. Getting beat by a crippled Candy team in February was good enough for me to sign up. Martins coaching was questionable after the time out loss. I am glad he turned this team into what many Vol fans thought they were. We have top 20 talent!
 
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#93
So you are telling me that kids didn't come here because they were afraid we would hire Bruce Pearl, a better coach than Martin? Yeah right. Go sell crazy somewhere else. Worst case scenario these guys play for Martin their whole college career. Best case scenario, they play for a better more experienced coach who runs a fast uptempo style.

Of course it is all water under the bridge now, but come on, it doesn't pass the sniff test.
 
#95
#95
VolArmy74 said:
We know for sure that his coaching philosophy cost us our biggest recruit in Austin.

Everything else is likely more fan driven. I deal with a lot of high school athletes and I've never heard one mention a coaches contract extension in regards to their recruitment.
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I disagree. We lost Austin because they were fraud Martin would not be here.
 
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#96
SamRebel35 said:
The only negativity I had heard before the petition was coming from this board and the media. The two entites that thrive on negativity. Find a media outlet or a fan message board that acts differently. Let's not pretend like the arena was empty all season, or that the fans at the games boo'd Zo or the team. This is all some melodramatic nonsense referring to "negativity" costing us those two recruits.
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Those who do not think recruits and their parents don't read these boards need to get their heads out of the sand.
 
#97
#97
volgr said:
So you are telling me that kids didn't come here because they were afraid we would hire Bruce Pearl, a better coach than Martin? Yeah right. Go sell crazy somewhere else. Worst case scenario these guys play for Martin their whole college career. Best case scenario, they play for a better more experienced coach who runs a fast uptempo style.

Of course it is all water under the bridge now, but come on, it doesn't pass the sniff test.
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I don't think they ever thought Pearl was coming back. They thought Martin was going to be fired.
 
#98
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bleedingTNorange said:
Do you think a coach/recruit looks into the stands and says, boy this place looks less than half full. Or do you think they look at the box score and say, wow 18k fans were at the game?

Our actual attendance, which as you correctly state can't accurately be counted, is nowhere near what is was Pearl years or even Martin's first 2 years. The tickets sold numbers doesn't show near the drop off that actually occurred, but I don't expect you to admit that.
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I acknowledged it dropped off, note where I said it's not near where it was when Pearl was here. But I wouldn't expect you to recognize a point you can't argue with.

You take your line of thinking and extrapolate it to that of our athletes and coaches. Players who are truly into the game don't pay attention to what's in the stands and the upper deck is so dark you can barely see up there anyways. I couldn't tell you what a crowd was like when I played any sport in HS and I spent 85% of the time on the bench. It's not something MOST athletes pay attention to.
 
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#99
InVOLuntary said:
It is my understanding that Cuonzo has been looking since the end of last season. He wasn't happy that he didn't get extended last year. With the news that he may have lost some support from some bosters, the extent of which is unknown, he may take another job if one is offered.
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Bump for BTO!
 
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