This job just became untouchable by anyone who VN would approve of

[PagingDrVol]

And you keep throwing out this $3 million figure, when I just pointed out Marshall makes less at WSU than Martin would have made here had he stayed.

The only one saying we'd have to offer $3 million is you.

I'm using that figure because Marshall is never going to leave a cush position without a payday, and the one we would have to bring is larger than the one other schools would have to bring because we have now proven ourselves (via the treatment of CCM) to be certifiably nuts in the eyes of the coaching fraternity. He's not coming from WSU to UT for less than 2-7-2.8, and even for that, he'd probably wait and test the waters. He might go to Michigan State for 2.7 but not here.

 

[Cdywolfe]

Anybody who doesn't think his performance deserved criticism isn't someone I want coaching my team anyway.

 

[VOLinPD]

Yeah, coaches hate having extremely passionate fan bases.:whistling:

 

[utfan72408]

Wrong, wrong, wrong. What VN just did is add a huge premium to what a coach would regularly deserve. If Marshall would go to Alabama for $2.5, he'd require $3.0M to come to a place that is verifiably nuts. And because of that, we will have to overpay for our next coach.

Additionally, the purse strings are not entirely in Hart's control. MBB is just one of 16 things Hart has to fund, and if you pay 3M for an MBB coach, you hurt the golden goose (football). It's like any other business - you budget for your expenses. The budget UT has for an MBB coach probably tops out in the 2.6-2.8 range unless very special circumstances kick in. If you really think the AD is just a bottomless fountain of money and Hart can spend whatever he wants, you probably also have huge balances on your personal credit cards and get late notices for your utility bills. The AD is a zero sum game, and if you overpay for MBB you hurt football recruiting, which ain't gonna happen.

You "open the checkbook" people make me giggle. Was your degree from Pellisippi that lame?

You seem to think real highly of yourself. Try being a little less condescending. Maybe people will start taking you seriously.

Anyway, I'm aware of how budgeting works. I don't need a business lesson. I'm actually graduating as a math major in a month, so I'm plenty intelligent, but thanks. Not that I need to prove myself to you.

So what about the football hiring process? He had all the money in the world for that right? It's the "golden goose." And yet, it took like a million candidates before we got someone to accept.

Martin wasn't successful here. Fans had a right to be upset until the tourney run. What had he done that deserved praise?

You're wrong. I don't think we'll have to overpay.

 

[orangeluvr]

According to some folks we are all nut bags. The squirrels are swarming. :birgits_giggle: :crazy:

 

[VOLnMiami]

The coaching fraternity is tight, and viewed CCM as a success here. Much as happened three years ago, all of them will be warning each other not to leave anything remotely secure to take this job.

The next coach will have to come here from an equally or more desperate situation and probably will be someone without much [if any] name recognition.

VN has created an unwinnable situation for its own athletic director in the search process, and we can only dream of hiring someone who would make us a true contender now. Stability is the backbone of major college sports, and by shafting the coaching fraternity's prom queen, we have just ensured a date with a very homely and desperate replacement.

It won't be Hart's fault when his first 8 choices say no. Check the mirror.

Uhhh yeah...Sure :thumbsup:

 

[Exfix]

Wrong, wrong, wrong. What VN just did is add a huge premium to what a coach would regularly deserve. If Marshall would go to Alabama for $2.5, he'd require $3.0M to come to a place that is verifiably nuts. And because of that, we will have to overpay for our next coach.

Additionally, the purse strings are not entirely in Hart's control. MBB is just one of 16 things Hart has to fund, and if you pay 3M for an MBB coach, you hurt the golden goose (football). It's like any other business - you budget for your expenses. The budget UT has for an MBB coach probably tops out in the 2.6-2.8 range unless very special circumstances kick in. If you really think the AD is just a bottomless fountain of money and Hart can spend whatever he wants, you probably also have huge balances on your personal credit cards and get late notices for your utility bills. The AD is a zero sum game, and if you overpay for MBB you hurt football recruiting, which ain't gonna happen.

You "open the checkbook" people make me giggle. Was your degree from Pellisippi that lame?

VN did nothing. We are a passionate fan base who showed discontent when CCM was on the brink of missing the NCAAT yet again with a very talented roster. It was a good move for him to leave (strike while the iron was hot with a questionable situation next year) and good for us to upgrade at coach. We aren't "untouchable" or whatever you said.

 

[dallasmp]

So what about the football hiring process? He had all the money in the world for that right?

If Hart had all the money in the world, Tennessee wouldn't have had to settle for a scrub like Jones. You're making the OP's point about not understanding the concept of budgeting.

 

[Exfix]

If Hart had all the money in the world, Tennessee wouldn't have had to settle for a scrub like Jones. You're making the OP's point about not understanding the concept of budgeting.

Lol at "scrub like Jones." I would go back to lurking, troll.

 

[daj2576]

Wrong, wrong, wrong. What VN just did is add a huge premium to what a coach would regularly deserve. If Marshall would go to Alabama for $2.5, he'd require $3.0M to come to a place that is verifiably nuts. And because of that, we will have to overpay for our next coach.

Additionally, the purse strings are not entirely in Hart's control. MBB is just one of 16 things Hart has to fund, and if you pay 3M for an MBB coach, you hurt the golden goose (football). It's like any other business - you budget for your expenses. The budget UT has for an MBB coach probably tops out in the 2.6-2.8 range unless very special circumstances kick in. If you really think the AD is just a bottomless fountain of money and Hart can spend whatever he wants, you probably also have huge balances on your personal credit cards and get late notices for your utility bills. The AD is a zero sum game, and if you overpay for MBB you hurt football recruiting, which ain't gonna happen.

You "open the checkbook" people make me giggle. Was your degree from Pellisippi that lame?

Ah yes, the Harvard guide to resorting to questioning someone's education, appearance, or finances when they disagree with you. Works every time!

 

[dallasmp]

Lol at "scrub like Jones." I would go back to lurking, troll.

Butch Jones was hardly the coach Tennessee wanted to hire and will follow up a subpar "year zero" with an even more lackluster season this fall.. I'm truly sorry that you're incapable of recognizing this.

 

[golf437]

It won't be that much of a problem if we pay enough money. Plus, it's not like we fired the guy.

Not true. Our so called petition fans have hurt this program. Spin it any way you want but we will see.

 

[daj2576]

Butch Jones was hardly the coach Tennessee wanted to hire and will follow up a subpar "year zero" with an even more lackluster season this fall.. I'm truly sorry that you're incapable of recognizing this.

Interesting argument. While it is very likely that Jones was not Tennessee's first choice, the rest of that is nonsensical.

Are you suggesting that Tennessee was forced to hire Jones? Tennessee didn't want to hire him, right? They must have been forced into it.

The "year zero" statement is a conflation of Dooley's tenure with the current coach, who, to my knowledge, has never used such verbiage. In fact, he has constantly talked about "the process" and about how losing is never acceptable at Tennessee. Oh, and he did so during a year where his team beat a post-season top 5 team, and where all the losses came against teams either ranked at the time they played or at the end of the season. If polls matter as an indication of how good a team is, wouldn't the losses to ranked teams be expected, while the win against a top 5 team be a sign of over-achievement?

Finally, Jones is one of the few coaches in college football that has a history of over-performance in relation to talent. Over his tenure he averages winning 3 games a year more than talent would predict, and talent is right as a measure of success about 70% of the time (or 90% in title games).

So while I can't say that next year is definitely going to be better or worse than last year, I can tell you that we have a coach in place that Tennessee wanted, and who has a rare history of turning talent into more victories than talent would predict. Oh, and he is a pretty good recruiter too.

 

[golfballs]

Lol that's what everyone said with the football coach too before we got Dooley. The fans are ready to make someone the highest paid coach in the league but they live in a fantasy land.

the issue then was timing. it was horrible. in hindsight we should have hired kippy and waiting until the next year

 

[daj2576]

Not true. Our so called petition fans have hurt this program. Spin it any way you want but we will see.

It's interesting how the narrative during the tournament was that the petition had no impact on the team's performance to the sweet 16. Now the argument is that the petition that had no impact then, is the reason that Martin leaves? So it didn't have any impact on the team's performance, but was so bad that he had to leave for Cal?

I can't wrap my head around both of those can exist simultaneously.

 

[orangegrass]

This is stupid... u show them the money n they will come..

Just shows u people have no clue about what its like in the business world.. Zero..

People said same crap when fools was fired n now u r shot on site if u say something bad about cbj.. Lol

Show them the money? Right. This place is toxic. Chalk this one up to the fan base who has unrealistic expectations.

 

[tntar heel]

If it was reported that Gregg Marshall was the top target a few weeks ago when it looked like Martin was going to Marquette, I fail to see why he wouldn't be now. And I seriously doubt Hart doesn't realize he'll have to open the wallet for that to happen.

He can open it but the question is "Is there anything in there?"

 

[Delaware Vol]

The coaching fraternity is tight, and viewed CCM as a success here. Much as happened three years ago, all of them will be warning each other not to leave anything remotely secure to take this job.

The next coach will have to come here from an equally or more desperate situation and probably will be someone without much [if any] name recognition.

VN has created an unwinnable situation for its own athletic director in the search process, and we can only dream of hiring someone who would make us a true contender now. Stability is the backbone of major college sports, and by shafting the coaching fraternity's prom queen, we have just ensured a date with a very homely and desperate replacement.

It won't be Hart's fault when his first 8 choices say no. Check the mirror.

Uh huh, I'm SURE that'll happen! /s

Actually I'll tell you what's gonna happen, Harts gonna offer a good coach many hundreds of thousands of dollars more than he's currently making to coach Tennessee men's basketball and this good coaching prospect that you say will turn us down because of the 'atmosphere' surrounding the program---will then will develop severe amnesia regarding this 'toxic atmosphere' and quickly accept the hundreds of thousands of dollar raise from AD Hart...

Let me summarize, most any coach can be bought for the right price regardless of the circumstances...as most coaches understand the nature of the biz...

 

[Exfix]

Butch Jones was hardly the coach Tennessee wanted to hire and will follow up a subpar "year zero" with an even more lackluster season this fall.. I'm truly sorry that you're incapable of recognizing this.

Zzzzzzzzzz....oh sorry, were you talking?

 

[Godfatha]

Oh dear god. We have so many self loathers who act like we have the only fan base in the country with expectations.

The petition was stupid but wanting better for the basketball program wasn't.

 

[GOATeric14berry]

Well there is Bruce pearl....

 

[johnnybravo]

I can't wait to see UT upgrade so these whiny defeatist point of views can stop.

It's dumb to think that a fan base would scare off a coach who is being offered millions. Or that he would be scared to follow the "success" of Cuonzo Martin.

Laughable.

Wes Rucker, Mickey Dearstone and John Pennington are the leaders of this myth.

Uhhhggg....Pennington is by far the biggest Douche in the local media market. Such an a hole.

 

[Tenacguy50]

If it was reported that Gregg Marshall was the top target a few weeks ago when it looked like Martin was going to Marquette, I fail to see why he wouldn't be now. And I seriously doubt Hart doesn't realize he'll have to open the wallet for that to happen.

Agree 100% :hi:

 

[Vol8188]

Well there is Bruce pearl....

A proven winner who can fire up the fan base and win over recruits? No thanks.

 

[supersmo18]

And if you think its bad now, you haven't seen anything yet. Just wait until they announce the hire and no one has a clue who the guy is a la Derek Dooley. This place will turn upside down.

Wouldn't that make us right-side-up, then? :question: