This job just became untouchable by anyone who VN would approve of

#28
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92volalum said:
This is stupid... u show them the money n they will come..

Just shows u people have no clue about what its like in the business world.. Zero..

People said same crap when fools was fired n now u r shot on site if u say something bad about cbj.. Lol
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I promise, I know waaaay more about business than you do. And the fact that you think money cures all ills proves that in a second.

We'd have to make a top 5 national salary offer to get a good mid-major guy at this point. In other words, overpay ridiculously. Which a "business expert" such as yourself should realize is a poor investment. But you don't, because you are clueless about both business and basketball.
 
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PagingDrVol said:
The coaching fraternity is tight, and viewed CCM as a success here. Much as happened three years ago, all of them will be warning each other not to leave anything remotely secure to take this job.

The next coach will have to come here from an equally or more desperate situation and probably will be someone without much [if any] name recognition.

VN has created an unwinnable situation for its own athletic director in the search process, and we can only dream of hiring someone who would make us a true contender now. Stability is the backbone of major college sports, and by shafting the coaching fraternity's prom queen, we have just ensured a date with a very homely and desperate replacement.

It won't be Hart's fault when his first 8 choices say no. Check the mirror.
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Get over yourself :no: Clean your plumbing while you're at it....beginning to smell :yuck:
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
If it was reported that Gregg Marshall was the top target a few weeks ago when it looked like Martin was going to Marquette, I fail to see why he wouldn't be now. And I seriously doubt Hart doesn't realize he'll have to open the wallet for that to happen.
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If we get Gregg Martin it'll be because we paid him nearly as much as Kryzewski makes. That's highly unlikely.
 
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I can't wait to see UT upgrade so these whiny defeatist point of views can stop.

It's dumb to think that a fan base would scare off a coach who is being offered millions. Or that he would be scared to follow the "success" of Cuonzo Martin.

Laughable.

Wes Rucker, Mickey Dearstone and John Pennington are the leaders of this myth.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
I can't wait to see UT upgrade so these whiny defeatist point of views can stop.

It's dumb to think that a fan base would scare off a coach who is being offered millions. Or that he would be scared to follow the "success" of Cuonzo Martin.

Laughable.

Wes Rucker, Mickey Dearstone and John Pennington are the leaders of this myth.
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Ziti, when was the last time we ever put up the money for a proven coach?

The FACT is that we're going to have to get lucky.
 
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PagingDrVol said:
The coaching fraternity is tight, and viewed CCM as a success here. Much as happened three years ago, all of them will be warning each other not to leave anything remotely secure to take this job.

The next coach will have to come here from an equally or more desperate situation and probably will be someone without much [if any] name recognition.

VN has created an unwinnable situation for its own athletic director in the search process, and we can only dream of hiring someone who would make us a true contender now. Stability is the backbone of major college sports, and by shafting the coaching fraternity's prom queen, we have just ensured a date with a very homely and desperate replacement.

It won't be Hart's fault when his first 8 choices say no. Check the mirror.
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If your argument is that we won't open up the wallet for our next hire, then fine. That's valid.

But not opening up the wallet would be Hart's fault, yes? And you said it wouldn't be.

It's not an unwinnable situation. I'm sorry but just because Martin is a great guy doesn't mean he was good at his job. Sweet 16 is nice, but shouldn't the season have been better? That's a bigger sample and perhaps more indicative of his abilities.

I'm sorry, but he wasn't necessarily successful. He might have got hot for a bit, and it was a fun year making it to the sweet 16, but successful? Over his entire tenure here? Nah.

We aren't doomed to a Dooley hire. Not if Hart does his job. If his first 8 candidates say no, it IS his fault. Unless you want to defend his hiring process for football too.
 
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PS - several of you idiots think money is going to solve this. Hint: it ain't.

The AD has to view the entire athletic department budget as a whole when making these salary decisions, and he has a formula that he uses to determine the "right" amount to spend on an MBB coach. That number is not going to be large enough to get a decent coach under the current conditions.

Any of you that think this university will spend $3M+ on an excellent hoops coach are nuts. The money is not there to do that and never will be.

Problem is, you've now made it impossible to buy a pretty good one, too. So - what's left? That's right, coaches with fatal flaws...

The smart ones among us won't forgive you very soon, by the way.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
I can't wait to see UT upgrade so these whiny defeatist point of views can stop.

It's dumb to think that a fan base would scare off a coach who is being offered millions. Or that he would be scared to follow the "success" of Cuonzo Martin.

Laughable.

Wes Rucker, Mickey Dearstone and John Pennington are the leaders of this myth.
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Exactly. This is why its bad for UT Sports that our media is filled with guys who are fans of other schools.

If having top 10 attendance in the nation 3 years running for a team that can't even break into the top 25 is irrelevant, so are any petitions or messageboard griping.
 
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PagingDrVol said:
PS - several of you idiots think money is going to solve this. Hint: it ain't.

The AD has to view the entire athletic department budget as a whole when making these salary decisions, and he has a formula that he uses to determine the "right" amount to spend on an MBB coach. That number is not going to be large enough to get a decent coach under the current conditions.

Any of you that think this university will spend $3M+ on an excellent hoops coach are nuts. The money is not there to do that and never will be.

Problem is, you've now made it impossible to buy a pretty good one, too. So - what's left? That's right, coaches with fatal flaws...

The smart ones among us won't forgive you very soon, by the way.
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And you keep throwing out this $3 million figure, when I just pointed out Marshall makes less at WSU than Martin would have made here had he stayed.

The only one saying we'd have to offer $3 million is you.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
Bruce created the expectations. Cheek and Hart made a choice a month ago and now they're reaping what they sewed. I forsee the return of the black curtains only this time they don't have winning football and championship caliber women basketball to quell the masses. Until those goofballs are gone, UT is screwed.
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Yes...yes, of course! It's Cheek and Hart! Once we fire them all will be set right!

And while we're AT IT, I think we ought to FIRE the head of the anthropology department at UT. I'm not sure who that person is, but I'm sure they are at least PARTIALLY at fault here.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
He makes $1.75 at WSU, which is less than what we were going to pay Martin. We wouldn't have to pay him over $3 million a year.
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Yes, we would. Because he's going to look at 2.6 or 2.7 M here and think about where else he could go for that kind of money, and realize that if he waits a little longer, he can go to an NC State or Oklahoma State for that kind of money. There's a risk premium he'd put on this place now, and it prices us out of the market for a top 25er like Marshall.
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
And if you think its bad now, you haven't seen anything yet. Just wait until they announce the hire and no one has a clue who the guy is a la Derek Dooley. This place will turn upside down.
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Isn't that exactly what happened when we hired Cuonzo? I sure as hell had never heard of him, and he underachieved during his entire tenure here. As well, his inept coaching alone cost us at least 10 victories in 3 years. To be a bubble team with 2 potential NBA draft picks and several other contributing, experienced, and talented upperclassmen is almost inexcusable.
 
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PagingDrVol said:
Yes, we would. Because he's going to look at 2.6 or 2.7 M here and think about where else he could go for that kind of money, and realize that if he waits a little longer, he can go to an NC State or Oklahoma State for that kind of money. There's a risk premium he'd put on this place now, and it prices us out of the market for a top 25er like Marshall.
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He interviewed and wanted this job twice? How do you know what he wants? Are you his agent?
 
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utfan72408 said:
If your argument is that we won't open up the wallet for our next hire, then fine. That's valid.

But not opening up the wallet would be Hart's fault, yes? And you said it wouldn't be.

It's not an unwinnable situation. I'm sorry but just because Martin is a great guy doesn't mean he was good at his job. Sweet 16 is nice, but shouldn't the season have been better? That's a bigger sample and perhaps more indicative of his abilities.

I'm sorry, but he wasn't necessarily successful. He might have got hot for a bit, and it was a fun year making it to the sweet 16, but successful? Over his entire tenure here? Nah.

We aren't doomed to a Dooley hire. Not if Hart does his job. If his first 8 candidates say no, it IS his fault. Unless you want to defend his hiring process for football too.
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Wrong, wrong, wrong. What VN just did is add a huge premium to what a coach would regularly deserve. If Marshall would go to Alabama for $2.5, he'd require $3.0M to come to a place that is verifiably nuts. And because of that, we will have to overpay for our next coach.

Additionally, the purse strings are not entirely in Hart's control. MBB is just one of 16 things Hart has to fund, and if you pay 3M for an MBB coach, you hurt the golden goose (football). It's like any other business - you budget for your expenses. The budget UT has for an MBB coach probably tops out in the 2.6-2.8 range unless very special circumstances kick in. If you really think the AD is just a bottomless fountain of money and Hart can spend whatever he wants, you probably also have huge balances on your personal credit cards and get late notices for your utility bills. The AD is a zero sum game, and if you overpay for MBB you hurt football recruiting, which ain't gonna happen.

You "open the checkbook" people make me giggle. Was your degree from Pellisippi that lame?
 
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Whatever. Good coaches have egos. If UT is gonna pay well, a proven coach wont pass because of CMM's exp. Also, lets not be dumb, criticism of CCM was completely warranted most of year. Stop acting like fans are the problem.
 
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