Final Stats 2014 signees

#26
#26
The one night - small sample size - I saw him, it wasn't lack of opportunity as much as lack of effort. He got the ball in the post enough, just wasn't looking to score. Not as raw as I was led I believe. He needs a coach to light a fire under him.

A quality big, in Stokes to go against every day in practice would help a ton too.
 
#27
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The one night - small sample size - I saw him, it wasn't lack of opportunity as much as lack of effort. He got the ball in the post enough, just wasn't looking to score. Not as raw as I was led I believe. He needs a coach to light a fire under him.

I remember your report from that game. It was very good. Wouldn't you agree though, that he is at best, the third option offensively on that team? Also, is it necessarily a negative (lack of effort as you called it) that he didn't look to score? Was he just being lazy and passive offensively, or was he deferring to better offensive players within the frame of the offense?
 
#28
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Austin was ranked number 68 puts up huge numbers and falls to 111. You really have to wonder about rankings when that happens. Cofer dunked in one game broke the goal. Turman has a lot of elevation for 245 pounds. Cornish looks to have good numbers much better than his ranking.

Every high major recruit is usually top 1 or 2 on his high school team and puts up really good numbers....As for Austin he plays in one of the lowest classifications in illinois. Doesnt mean he wont be great though....I have no idea why he dropped but he could have struggled some in camps or didnt look as good as some of his competition on the AAU circuit.....there is any number of reasons it could have happened.
 
#29
#29
Per his coach in a scout story after the season, Turman wound up at 4 bpg. Those stats you have are six game stats. He had three double digit block games in those first six and that ballooned his number. Still good numbers, though. Coach said he averaged 13.1 ppg and 11.4 rpg. Only thing I question on him is intensity.

Good to know, thanks.
Do you happen to have that story?
 
#30
#30
Jordan Cornish: 23.5ppg 8.1rpg 4.8apg

Larry Austin: 23.9ppg 8.5rpg 3.2apg 3.2spg

Phil Cofer: 21.6ppg 12.6rpg 3.3bpg

CJ Turman: 10.3ppg 11.7rpg 7.5bpg

FWIW, the final numbers I found for these guys look a little different.

2. Jordan Cornish, SG, Brother Martin, 6-6, 215, Tennessee signee, PR: 1

Cornish didn’t lose his spot at No. 1 more so than the player who finished No. 1 earned it. The future Volunteer averaged 20.7 points per game and may have led his team further into the playoffs if he weren’t dealing with multiple injuries by season’s end. He left an enduring mark on his high school career by making a game-winning 3-pointer in the waning seconds of the LHSCA All-Star Game to give the East squad a 101-99 victory.

NOLA.com | The Times-Picayune's Terrific 20: Class of 2014 basketball rankings | NOLA.com

Congratulations to Senior guard Jordan Cornish and Junior guard Venjie Wallis on being named to the 9-5A All District Basketball Team. Jordan finished the season with an average of 20.7 points per game.
http://www.brothermartin.com/crusader-basketballers-named-to-all-district-team/

Austin was second in the CS8 in scoring with an average of 22.2 points per game. He also averaged 7.5 rebounds, 3.9 assists and 4.2 steals a game.
Austin, Allen, Block make 3A all-state teams - Sports - The State Journal-Register - Springfield, IL

[Austin] averaged 22.2 points, 7.5 rebounds and 3.9 assists per game for a 27-2 team; Central State Eight Player of the Year
Champaign-Urbana News-Gazette Boys Basketball All-State Team - Sports - The Clay County Advocate - Press-Flora, IL - Flora, IL

Cofer was a one man wrecking crew on both ends, scoring 19.8 points a night along with 12.8 rebounds and 3 blocks.
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#32
#32
Yes, he clearly was a third option on that team.

Hard to say about attitude. He had one stretch where he got dunked on then scored three straight baskets. So, getting him mad clearly made him more aggressive.
I remember your report from that game. It was very good. Wouldn't you agree though, that he is at best, the third option offensively on that team? Also, is it necessarily a negative (lack of effort as you called it) that he didn't look to score? Was he just being lazy and passive offensively, or was he deferring to better offensive players within the frame of the offense?
 
#34
#34
I'm saying he's 6'9 and 240, he should be averaging 20/15/5+ against the level of competition he played. But he doesn't go hard all the time. He's the one player I watched in person from the class a couple of times. He's got the body of Wayne Chism but not the work ethic. I'm hoping the coaches can correct that.

Careful these guys read VN, and are a sensitive bunch. :)
 
#35
#35
Very impressive. This class will be a good one. If CCM can add pieces for 2015 and have them all mature and come together the future is bright.

Gotta have that kind of player...glue to go with scoters...if that translates to college.
 
#36
#36
Overall the numbers are certainly encouraging.

2 surprises were Larry Austin: 3.2apg - some are saying he's ready to be our starting PG?

CJ Turman: 10.3ppg but then 7.5bpg is also surprising in the positive direction
 
#37
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6'8"/ 245-lb UConn bound Rakim Lubin scored 31 pts in the quarterfinals and 37 in the semifinals for Buford HS. In the next game, 6'8" Turman held Lubin to 4-of-12, with Morgan County High beating Buford 69-45 to claim the state title.
And Turman outscored Lubin 15 points to 12 in the title matchup.
 
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#38
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Overall the numbers are certainly encouraging.

2 surprises were Larry Austin: 3.2apg - some are saying he's ready to be our starting PG?

CJ Turman: 10.3ppg but then 7.5bpg is also surprising in the positive direction

On Austin, my guess is that his team relied on his scoring ability, and the low assist numbers are likely not indicative of his potential as a passer. Also averaged more than 3 steals per game. A lockdown defender at PG will be a welcomed addition. He has a reputation as one of the best defensive PGs in the country.

On Turman, apparently those numbers provided in the OP are incorrect. His season stats were 13 ppg, 11 rpg, and 4.5 bpg. Still impressive, and perhaps he isn't quite the project offensively as we were led to believe. 13 ppg as the third option offensively is pretty good. If he can play with consistent intensity, he could turn into a nice player in a year or two. The lack of consistent effort and his skill set based on video reminds me a lot of Major Wingate.
 
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#39
#39
We'll see, to me averaging 7.5bpg isn't a fluke and likely will translate into him being at least a decent rim protector in college, something Tennessee has lacked.
Exactly. He's a rim protector. It takes more than people realize to score 20 ppg, even on the high school level. He'll likely never be a double digit scorer for us, but he's got the size to move people out of the paint.

As far as scoring goes, I'd be happy if Turman scored as much as a guy like Brian Williams did. 5-7 ppg and serving as a rim protector and cleaning up the glass.
 
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#40
Anyone have Austin and/or Cornish's 3-point shots and makes? If they're going to have any chance of being near the scorers they were in high school on the college level, they need to be able to knock em down from deep. I've heard they are good, not great 3-point shooters.
 
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#41
Anyone have Austin and/or Cornish's 3-point shots and makes? If they're going to have any chance of being near the scorers they were in high school on the college level, they need to be able to knock em down from deep. I've heard they are good, not great 3-point shooters.

Cornish will not score anything remotely close to what he scored in high school. On a side note i had no idea New Orleans area bball was so bad, with a city that size i would expect a better level of competition.
 
#43
#43
Anyone have Austin and/or Cornish's 3-point shots and makes? If they're going to have any chance of being near the scorers they were in high school on the college level, they need to be able to knock em down from deep. I've heard they are good, not great 3-point shooters.

Neither shot it well last year.
 
#44
#44
I think the recruiting class is very solid, but it is a little head scratching to me that as good of a 3 point shooter CCM was, you think he'd recruit at least 1 lights out three point shooter in each class.
 
#45
#45
I think the recruiting class is very solid, but it is a little head scratching to me that as good of a 3 point shooter CCM was, you think he'd recruit at least 1 lights out three point shooter in each class.

Agree. Camron Justice seemed to be the end to that drought, but that soured quickly.
 
#47
#47
I think the recruiting class is very solid, but it is a little head scratching to me that as good of a 3 point shooter CCM was, you think he'd recruit at least 1 lights out three point shooter in each class.

Martin didn't come in as a 3 point shooter out of high school, he came in as a junkyard dog who took pride in defense and have 100%. He learned to shoot whil at Purdue, and worked incredibly hard to improve each and every year, those are exactly the types he seems to be recruiting.
 
#48
#48
Martin didn't come in as a 3 point shooter out of high school, he came in as a junkyard dog who took pride in defense and have 100%. He learned to shoot whil at Purdue, and worked incredibly hard to improve each and every year, those are exactly the types he seems to be recruiting.

Yep, he recruits players in which he sees himself over and over. There's good and bad in that. Good - generally highly motivated, tough, physical, will run through a wall for their coach. Bad - too many tweeners, guys who can will themselves to be great shooters are few and far between and he seems to forget that he wasn't some obscure 2 star or 3 star. CCM was the 35th ranked player in the country as a senior and recruited by the entire Big 10 and Big 12 along with UConn and UK.
 
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#49
#49
On Turman, apparently those numbers provided in the OP are incorrect. His season stats were 13 ppg, 11 rpg, and 4.5 bpg. Still impressive, and perhaps he isn't quite the project offensively as we were led to believe. 13 ppg as the third option offensively is pretty good. If he can play with consistent intensity, he could turn into a nice player in a year or two. The lack of consistent effort and his skill set based on video reminds me a lot of Major Wingate.

That Wingate comparison is useful in another regard. Both kids were higher ranked early than they were as seniors. Wingate was the top ranked freshman in the country. Turman was a top 100 4 star as a sophomore. Wingate settled out as a bottom half of the top 100 4 star as a senior an Turman fell out of the top 150. They were highly ranked early because there were physically dominant in relation to peers. Their lack of intensity was exposed when their peers caught up. I'm not sure CCM would have been a great coach for Wingate as he seems to want self-motivated kids. Will be curious to see how he relates to Turman.
 
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#50
Anyone have Austin and/or Cornish's 3-point shots and makes? If they're going to have any chance of being near the scorers they were in high school on the college level, they need to be able to knock em down from deep. I've heard they are good, not great 3-point shooters.

Cornish shot 38% from 3
 
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