TN HB-1547 on 'student religious freedom'

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Grand Vol said:
I will reply though that you obviously only pick and choose whatever you want to out of the Bible, Old and New Testament both. And in your specific case, you like to pick out the bad things instead of any of the good. To each their own I suppose. I take the good with the bad, each as a learning lesson. Some to be used, some as a reminder not to be used. But as a whole, there are some great teachings and lessons to be learned.

And this whole skirting around the issue. I have not. I have repeatedly said I think this happens to be a bunch of anti-religion fanatics making a mountain out of a molehill especially in here. There is nothing, I repeat NOTHING in this bill that even comes close to this oligarchical/theocratic system you speak of. At worst, those that like to whine and cry object to a student being able to put their faith forward in a public fashion is ALL that's at stake here. At best this will protect ALL religions that will be encountered in the State of Tennessee. And this is something you fail to comprehend or realize. This isn't about Christianity, this is about the system finally getting set back into balance. The majority finally having their say for a change against the screeches of the minority that object to EVERYTHING! And that is what this entire thing boils down to, the majority is finally tired of being told what to do and what to say and please don't say this because you might offend someone. People are way, way, way too sensitive these days and are ready to jump at any chance they get to be "offended" at anything that is said or done. And as a culture we are way, way, way too eager to back down without standing up for the things WE believe in.

People like you and Septic keep beating the war drums of being offended any time religion is even mentioned in a public setting and brow beat the silent majority to bend to your will. Well, finally someone had the balls to stand up for the Rights of the religious members of the student bodies in this State. And it was past time. PAST! So you want to know how I feel about this by being able to look at it objectively? There it is. People want to be offended by a student saying God or the Lord or Jesus in a formal setting? Then please GTFO of the State of Tennessee and move someplace else. People don't like the fact this got passed in the Legislature? Fine, get your sorry ass out to the polls in the next vote and exercise your human right of choice and put someone else in that would crumble and rather not make waves. But me? I'm finally glad someone, a whole Legislature in fact, decided to stand up to the bullies that continually scream about political correctness.

Now this whole lewd, offensive and whatnot...get real. You and I both know there is formal etiquette that should/will be observed for this. So a student writes a speech where they want to drop the F bomb multiple times. Is that their freedom of speech? Yes. Should that be done in that particular environment? So you find the Bible lewd and offensive? And I go back to my opening paragraph, that you pick and choose only the bad parts you want to see just like others want to still cling to the fact that Christians started the Crusades a millennium ago and blame current day Christians for the sins of their forefathers. It is little different than black people that want to continue to lay the blame on slavery on whites. But you and I both know what is formally acceptable and what isn't so stop with the thought process that a graduation is going to become a sermon on the mount.

And yes, I fight for the things I believe in. And will continue to fight even as I might be going down. And I think it's sad that you believe this is a bad thing.
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Didn't read any of this, but fair enough. You got the last word.
 
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BartW said:
From a few days ago:



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What is wrong with you people? Vaccines do not ****ing cause autism. Tobacco is carcinogenic. Science denialism has literally killed hundreds of thousands of people.
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Science is only useful when it supports some people's extremely limited understanding of history and religion. (See the other thread that celebrates science for hopefully curing cancer.)
 
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volprof said:
Didn't read any of this, but fair enough. You got the last word.
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Well, that sucks, it's one of my better online "handing someone's butt to them" posts I've done in a long time. I typically do it for LG, but I made an exception in your case.
 
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BartW said:
From a few days ago:



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What is wrong with you people? Vaccines do not ****ing cause autism. Tobacco is carcinogenic. Science denialism has literally killed hundreds of thousands of people.
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Ok I will point out again how stupid you are for saying this. Maybe it doesn't. We don't know yet. It's also not the vaccine itself per se but possibly the preservatives used in them. You don't know how the ingredients in a vaccine are going to effect each individual. Vaccines contain formaldehyde which is a carcinogen. Tobacco doesn't cause cancer. It CAN be a cause of cancer. Vaccines don't cause autism. There is a chance they CAN be a cause of autism. I really don't know why you have such a hard time believing this.
 
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volprof said:
Science is only useful when it supports some people's extremely limited understanding of history and religion. (See the other thread that celebrates science for hopefully curing cancer.)
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You're the one who claims to be a "college professor" aren't you?
 
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Grand Vol said:
Well, that sucks, it's one of my better online "handing someone's butt to them" posts I've done in a long time. I typically do it for LG, but I made an exception in your case.
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I already said you would get the last word. Stop being arrogant. You got the last word, and I gave it to you. Congratulations.

You won absolutely nothing. But keep rubbing it in.

Once again, have the "last word." I know you can't resist. You're like my father-in-law. Doesn't know when to stop.
 
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Obsessed said:
I find it to be real. Do you not?
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Ok I will point out again how stupid you are for saying this. Maybe it doesn't. We don't know yet. It's also not the vaccine itself per se but possibly the preservatives used in them. You don't know how the ingredients in a vaccine are going to effect each individual. Vaccines contain formaldehyde which is a carcinogen. Tobacco doesn't cause cancer. It CAN be a cause of cancer. Vaccines don't cause autism. There is a chance they CAN be a cause of autism. I really don't know why you have such a hard time believing this.
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Tards like you are the reason near-extinct diseases like whooping cough are making a comeback
 
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I'd just like to know, provided this country was predominantly Muslim, would our residential "religious rights freedom fighters" be so supportive as they are of this bill. I just want to know. This bill is about unabashed religious freedom afterall.

I'll give you all the benefit of the doubt till you prove me otherwise.

And don't stretch, to use Grand Vol's approach.
 
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And to be clear, I don't care if you're Muslim, Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist, Rastafari, Native American traditionalist, etc., (the latter two which this law obviously doesn't protect; go figure!), no one maintains any role to determine what is acceptable or not in a tax-supported venue. I can't believe this is an actual debate. This is so unconstitutional, it's a testament to our democracy that we can actually debate this.
 
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volprof said:
And to be clear, I don't care if you're Muslim, Christian, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist, Rastafari, Native American traditionalist, etc., (the latter two which this law obviously doesn't protect; go figure!), no one maintains any role to determine what is acceptable or not in a tax-supported venue. I can't believe this is an actual debate. This is so unconstitutional, it's a testament to our democracy that we can actually debate this.
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Prove it's unconstitutional. And remember the bill does not allow for the teaching of religion. Just the freedom of it.
 
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BartW said:
Tards like you are the reason near-extinct diseases like whooping cough are making a comeback
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Instead of reverting to elementary school yard insults, how about providing some proof to refute things. I am 100% in support for vaccines. My son had his vaccines. I was not scared at all. Again I will state that I do not believe vaccines cause autism. Why is this so hard for you to comprehend? Do you have difficulty in understanding basic English?
 
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volprof said:
I already said you would get the last word. Stop being arrogant. You got the last word, and I gave it to you. Congratulations.

You won absolutely nothing. But keep rubbing it in.

Once again, have the "last word." I know you can't resist. You're like my father-in-law. Doesn't know when to stop.
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Pot calling kettle.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Vaccines can be a cause of autism.
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Instead of reverting to elementary school yard insults, how about providing some proof to refute things. I am 100% in support for vaccines. My son had his vaccines. I was not scared at all. Again I will state that I do not believe vaccines cause autism. Why is this so hard for you to comprehend? Do you have difficulty in understanding basic English?
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Well I'm glad you've reversed your position and I'm genuinely proud of you for being brave enough to get your kids vaccinated. Now please don't propagate such harmful myths in the future. The resident idiots on VN might believe you.
 
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BartW said:
Well I'm glad you've reversed your position and I'm genuinely proud of you for being brave enough to get your kids vaccinated. Now please don't propagate such harmful myths in the future. The resident idiots on VN might believe you.
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I never reversed anything. You're just deflecting because I asked you to refute things which you didn't. Spin it however you like. You just don't understand things about medicine. It's okay. Most here on VN don't.
 
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Looking forward to the first Satanist speech about how the strong survive and the weak perish. How everyone getting a psychology degree will be working mop duty at an adult theater.
 
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volprof said:
Didn't read any of this, but fair enough. You got the last word.
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You really should go back and read what GrandVol did to you. His post was one of the better worded arse chewing post I have read in a long time. Not only did he chew your arse, he slapped you naked , hid your cloths, kicked your butt all the way to I-40 at Papermill Road and left you there crying begging God to never let anything like that happen to you again.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
I never reversed anything. You're just deflecting because I asked you to refute things which you didn't. Spin it however you like. You just don't understand things about medicine. It's okay. Most here on VN don't.
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Refute what? If we now agree that vaccines do not cause autism then there's nothing to refute.

Nice flip-flop:

BigOrangeTrain said:
Vaccines can be a cause of autism.
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BigOrangeTrain said:
Maybe it doesn't. We don't know yet…
Vaccines don't cause autism. There is a chance they CAN be a cause of autism.
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BigOrangeTrain said:
I do not believe vaccines cause autism.
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