'15 TN ATH Jauan Jennings (UT commit 4/7/14)

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LebanonVolunteer said:
They could very well be recruiting him as a QB because he has been quoted as saying he wants at least a chance to play QB in college. To sign him, they have to be at least telling him he could play QB. Of course 2 weeks after he arrives to campus that could all change.
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And it might, but I would argue that by you assuming the coaching staff would lie to a player to sign him is a more a revelation of you than of them. I haven't yet read a single case of a player feeling like they had been lied to, and yet I read statements like this constantly.
 
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SSVol said:
And it might, but I would argue that by you assuming the coaching staff would lie to a player to sign him is a more a revelation of you than of them. I haven't yet read a single case of a player feeling like they had been lied to, and yet I read statements like this constantly.
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Riley Ferguson might tell you otherwise. He was assured he was going to be the only QB taken in his class. Of course fans will ignore it as it was "in the best interest of the team". Like it or not, coaches are not ever 100% honest with these kids. It's just the way it is.
 
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volinSmyrna said:
People that are saying this have never seen this kid in person without pads on. Curt Maggitt is listed at 244 now. There is NO way his frame can hold more than 60+ pounds. Could he thicken up 20 or so...maybe 30, sure, but not much more than that before he loses what makes him special. On his biggest day, he might be a tweener Strong Saftey/Outside backer, but I think that would be a stretch. He is a long, lean athlete that will play at around 205-210.
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I never said 60lbs that is ridiculous. Even at plus 30lbs he would be 215lbs from where his listed currently (185lbs) on his rivals page. That is doable with his frame. I agree that too much weight could be a hindrance to his abilities on the field.
 
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LotteryPick said:
Not saying you're wrong, but where did you see this?
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Riley had a family member on the board during his recruitment and spoke many times about some promises made to Riley that did not happen as promised. Riley liked UT enough to deal with it and stick with his commitment. Had Dobbs committed earlier than he did, IMO there is a very good chance Ferguson would not have signed with UT.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
Riley Ferguson might tell you otherwise. He was assured he was going to be the only QB taken in his class. Of course fans will ignore it as it was "in the best interest of the team". Like it or not, coaches are not ever 100% honest with these kids. It's just the way it is.
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I realize it won't affect your viewpoint, but I hardly consider saying "we aren't planning to take a another QB" and then taking one who shows up on your doorstep when you have gaping holes in your class, is hardly the same as actively recruiting a player as a QB when you have no intention of him playing there.

But it doesn't change my point that your preoccupation with our staff's grasp of the truth, whether how we recruit players or how we manage numbers, is more a revelation of you than them.
 
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volatil said:
That kind of recruiting will cost you in the long run. No way Butch pulls that.
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Most of the time a kid gets the opportunity to compete for the position of choice. Once he sees who else is at the position he decides he will go to another one. Tim Priest was a great QB in high school and Dickey promised him a chance. Tim tells that the first day after seeing Bobby Scott throw he went to the coach and said Coach, I think I need to move to DB. That's what the staff had recruited him for but Tim had to see it for himself. This is what usually happens.
 
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SSVol said:
And it might, but I would argue that by you assuming the coaching staff would lie to a player to sign him is a more a revelation of you than of them. I haven't yet read a single case of a player feeling like they had been lied to, and yet I read statements like this constantly.
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He went on and on and on and on and on about stuff like this last year too. His obsession with the numbers plays tricks on his mind. "Maybe, what if, it could be, how about, if the coaches tell some of our commits to look around because they've found someone they believe is better...well that's just not acceptable, blah blah blah and I'm going to talk about it all the time even though it's never actually happened yet because I'm so concerned about the numbers".
 
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wtorange said:
Most of the time a kid gets the opportunity to compete for the position of choice. Once he sees who else is at the position he decides he will go to another one. Tim Priest was a great QB in high school and Dickey promised him a chance. Tim tells that the first day after seeing Bobby Scott throw he went to the coach and said Coach, I think I need to move to DB. That's what the staff had recruited him for but Tim had to see it for himself. This is what usually happens.
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Recruiting was very different when Priest played.
 
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So tell me what position Creamer was recruited as?? Cause he is going to play LB at UT not WR....I'm telling you Jennings is playing defense....No future college QB that will play in the SEC will be 1-7 throwing in a game...JMO
 
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Vols4life said:
So tell me what position Creamer was recruited as?? Cause he is going to play LB at UT not WR....I'm telling you Jennings is playing defense....No future college QB that will play in the SEC will be 1-7 throwing in a game...JMO
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It's the attitude that is the issue. The incessant presumption of ill intent among our staff gets really old. Can we not just choose to assume the best? Am I so naive as to not be aware that the coaching staff knows full well that certain players will work out better at some positions than others? No. But to assume that they are lying through their teeth is a little hard for me to stomach.

It is nearly impossible to build a program based on character, as CBJ seems to be trying to do, if you lack it yourself. Why don't we just try to keep our biases in check to some small degree, and choose to believe that they are telling the truth, rather than coming into a recruit's thread and spraying down the walls with blind conjecture regarding dishonesty. Too much to ask?
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
Riley had a family member on the board during his recruitment and spoke many times about some promises made to Riley that did not happen as promised. Riley liked UT enough to deal with it and stick with his commitment. Had Dobbs committed earlier than he did, IMO there is a very good chance Ferguson would not have signed with UT.
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I disagree. Riley and his family are longtime Tennessee fans and Riley does not back down from a challenge. He was and is Tennessee all the way.
 
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SSVol said:
It's the attitude that is the issue. The incessant presumption of ill intent among our staff gets really old. Can we not just choose to assume the best? Am I so naive as to not be aware that the coaching staff knows full well that certain players will work out better at some positions than others? No. But to assume that they are lying through their teeth is a little hard for me to stomach.

It is nearly impossible to build a program based on character, as CBJ seems to be trying to do, if you lack it yourself. Why don't we just try to keep our biases in check to some small degree, and choose to believe that they are telling the truth, rather than coming into a recruit's thread and spraying down the walls with blind conjecture regarding dishonesty. Too much to ask?
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He sounds like a Vandy fan to me.
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
Riley had a family member on the board during his recruitment and spoke many times about some promises made to Riley that did not happen as promised. Riley liked UT enough to deal with it and stick with his commitment. Had Dobbs committed earlier than he did, IMO there is a very good chance Ferguson would not have signed with UT.
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There's a little thing that happened during his recruitment that changed all that. :whistling:
 
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SSVol said:
It's the attitude that is the issue. The incessant presumption of ill intent among our staff gets really old. Can we not just choose to assume the best? Am I so naive as to not be aware that the coaching staff knows full well that certain players will work out better at some positions than others? No. But to assume that they are lying through their teeth is a little hard for me to stomach.

It is nearly impossible to build a program based on character, as CBJ seems to be trying to do, if you lack it yourself. Why don't we just try to keep our biases in check to some small degree, and choose to believe that they are telling the truth, rather than coming into a recruit's thread and spraying down the walls with blind conjecture regarding dishonesty. Too much to ask?
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You do realize that this is the SEC...Maybe you need to become a fan of another team in another conference...Your job is to get the best players to your school however you can...period
 
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LebanonVolunteer said:
They could very well be recruiting him as a QB because he has been quoted as saying he wants at least a chance to play QB in college. To sign him, they have to be at least telling him he could play QB. Of course 2 weeks after he arrives to campus that could all change.
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I guess it takes all kinds to make the world go round. And I know you don't care what anybody on here thinks about you but..... Have you EVER looked at ANYTHING with a positive outlook?? You have NO CLUE what the coaching staff will do with him 2 weeks after he gets on campus but you just had to throw that little negative in there, like you know what the coaches are thinking or something.

smh. Just gets old.
 
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Vols4life said:
Cannon for an arm...I'm sure there are several athletes that have a cannon of an arm...still doesn't mean they can play QB
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It was his first year playing QB. He has at least 2 years to learn the position before he'll play in college.
 
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Vols4life said:
You do realize that this is the SEC...Maybe you need to become a fan of another team in another conference...Your job is to get the best players to your school however you can...period
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Perhaps, you may be completely right, but to assume this to be true is more a reflection of how *you* would recruit than how Butch recruits.

Here's the kicker...since Bama is recruiting as a safety, this whole line of reasoning ends with Saban being more honest than Butch. I find that *very* hard to believe.

Doesn't it make more sense that this is just another case of Butch seeing something in a recruit that others don't yet see? Maybe, just maybe, he sees something in young Mr. Jennings that leads him to believe that he has a reasonable chance of being a quality QB with the proper coaching?

No, I guess it is more likely that Saban is being more truthful. And you question my Vol cred... :ermm:
 
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