US air strike in Syria kills nearly 60 civilians 'mistaken for Isil fighters'

[LouderVol]

It depends. If we're operating under the current paradigm, you would have to secure the borders. It starts there, then you mind your own business. It's awfully funny that the Swiss hasn't been attacked in a really, really long time. Oh yeah, they mind their own business.

must be nice for a landlocked country of 30 million surrounded by mountains. see the difference? they also have incredibly strict immigration policies, a very active internal military force (everyone is a part of it) and they want to stay the same.

not apples to apples.

and even with that it took them several hundred years to achieve isolationism.

 

[SWIL]

And live moles beget more dead mole whackers. Better to be the windshield than the bug.

indeed- that is a valid point...

 

[ETV]

Let's remember the words of the founding lawyers "commerce and trade with all, entangling alliances with none."

There would be a lot more Americans alive had we followed that advice.

Eventually that "commerce and trade with all" policy will bite the US in the a**. That will tend to infuriate some nations, leading them to cease with any trade agreements, which can escalate tensions from there.

 

[Brave Volunteer]

Very good recruiting tool for Isis though. Wash, rinse, repeat....

My Grandfather was a WW2 vet. I remember when those Sally Struthers "Feed the Children" commercials would come on, my Grandfather would say "I'm not sending money over there to fatten them up just so they can come over here and kill us."

 

[SWIL]

There's actually an end game there, but it requires the use of Thermonuclear weapons.

True... but is that an outcome anyone wants? Unlike 1945, we aren't the only kid on the block with a big stick now... I believe the term "mutually assured destruction" applies now?

 

[DEFENDTHISHOUSE]

must be nice for a landlocked country of 30 million surrounded by mountains. see the difference? they also have incredibly strict immigration policies, a very active internal military force (everyone is a part of it) and they want to stay the same.

not apples to apples.

and even with that it took them several hundred years to achieve isolationism.

I don't understand why people assume you're an isolationist just because you favor a non-interventionist foreign-policy.

 

[DEFENDTHISHOUSE]

Eventually that "commerce and trade with all" policy will bite the US in the a**. That will tend to infuriate some nations, leading them to cease with any trade agreements, which can escalate tensions from there.

Maybe, maybe not.

 

[Pacer92]

Let's look at the logic.

The US gov is involved in a "war on terror" against an enemy that has no face, no country of allegiance, and is determined to kill us all.

Meanwhile, the borders are wide open and we're letting undocumented people flood in from the very area where we are supposedly at war.

Nah, nothing wrong there.

And Europe is following this program as well. Surpassing it actually..

 

[DEFENDTHISHOUSE]

And Europe is following this program as well. Surpassing it actually..

The end game isn't good. Ever since the soviets fell, the military industrial complex has been hard at work cooking up enemies to chase.

 

[LouderVol]

I don't understand why people assume you're an isolationist just because you favor a non-interventionist foreign-policy.

well, Switzerland, your example is THE example of isolationism.

 

[n_huffhines]

well, Switzerland, your example is THE example of isolationism.

Isolationism =/= Non-interventionism

 

[DEFENDTHISHOUSE]

well, Switzerland, your example is THE example of isolationism.

Well, we could stand to learn a thing or two from the Swiss in regards to foreign-policy. Do I want us to be just like the Swiss? No. Although I think they do get a lot of things right.

 

[VolStrom]

Isolationism =/= Non-interventionism

A double negative! Nice

 

[DEFENDTHISHOUSE]

This for example. Although I'm not keen on the tax part of it.

Switzerland's drive-thru BROTHELS hailed a success after year-long trial | Daily Mail Online

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

You can't win wars nowadays. People are too sensitive.

Can you imagine if we would have had social media when our guys stormed Normandy? We'd all be sprachen sie Deutch

 

[LouderVol]

Well, we could stand to learn a thing or two from the Swiss in regards to foreign-policy. Do I want us to be just like the Swiss? No. Although I think they do get a lot of things right.

I agree.

 

[Pacer92]

Can you imagine if we would have had social media when our guys stormed Normandy? We'd all be sprachen sie Deutch

WW2 was war against state sponsored fascism and imperialism...

Different....but,


Ja, ich sehe Ihren Punkt

 

[tumscalcium]

OK. An become Isolationist's? If we were to pack up, load up the C-5's and 141's and bring everyone home, the ME will become hell on earth. That hell will expand to other regions quickly.

Fight them over there or fight them here?

141's?

Ooh, showing your age....

 

[AirVol]

141's?

Ooh, showing your age....

That was a good bird.

 

[ETV]

141's?

Ooh, showing your age....

I know. Meant to reference the 17 and had a semi-senior moment.

 

[Vol8188]

Isolationism =/= Non-interventionism

He's voting for an isolationists and doesn't even realize it

 

[McDad]

For something like this, an apology should be given. Perhaps even some kind of restitution. For Hiroshima and Nagasaki, no apology should ever be given.

My understanding of the nature of warfare is that once this precedent is established, the enemy will set up command ops around high density civilian populations. Restitution will be confiscated by the enemy to expand personnel, weapons, etc.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

I thought you were referring to the ME as a whole.

Baby steps. We can go country by country, if you would like.

Lets start with The Saudis.