The Most Frightening Aspect of the GOP Debate

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VolsNSkinsFan said:
Thats because you aren't paying attention. He talks about it every single night. Repeal 0bamacare, allow the government to negotiate drug prices, and allow choice in HC plans (for example plans that do/don't cover pregnancy). You talk bad about ED in one thread, but then you are cool with forcing 28 year old single males to buy pregnancy coverage. That alone jacks HC costs up significantl
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That's not a healthcare plan. He's yelled out meme-worthy "points" that gets people like you all moist, but he's given absolutely no specifics on how he would accomplish anything.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
That's not a healthcare plan. He's yelled out meme-worthy "points" that gets people like you all moist, but he's given absolutely no specifics on how he would accomplish anything.
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I think Trump promised that if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor, plus his plan will save us $2500 a year for a family of 4.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
That's not a healthcare plan. He's yelled out meme-worthy "points" that gets people like you all moist, but he's given absolutely no specifics on how he would accomplish anything.
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Allowing my family to chose yes or no on pregnancy coverage for my family is a plan. Before 0bamacare we had that choice, now we don't. That's a plan I can back
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
That's not a healthcare plan. He's yelled out meme-worthy "points" that gets people like you all moist, but he's given absolutely no specifics on how he would accomplish anything.
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If anyone really wanted to lower health care cost, it's simple. Eliminate the middle man. Make all medications over the counter.

All politicians really want to do is benefit insurance companies
 
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VolsNSkinsFan said:
Thats because you aren't paying attention. He talks about it every single night. Repeal 0bamacare, allow the government to negotiate drug prices, and allow choice in HC plans (for example plans that do/don't cover pregnancy). You talk bad about ED but then you are cool with forcing 28 year old single males to buy pregnancy coverage. That alone jacks HC costs up significantly
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Not sure where you're getting that. I've never said anything of the sort re: healthcare.
 
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If there was no eminent domain, there would be no highway system. Imagine this nation w/o a national highway system. Not only would national commerce slow to a crawl, but all the ancillary business that services highway travel would shut down...like gas stations, hotel/motels, construction companies that maintain highways etc. Is that the ideal America you envision?

It's one thing to take issue in regards to what constitutes a "public benefit". But to entirely dismiss the social utility of eminent domain is very unreasonable.
 
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RobsPics said:
If there was no eminent domain, there would be no highway system. Imagine this nation w/o a national highway system. Not only would national commerce slow to a crawl, but all the ancillary business that services highway travel would shut down...like gas stations, hotel/motels, construction companies that maintain highways etc. Is that the ideal America you envision?

It's one thing to take issue in regards to what constitutes a "public benefit". But to entirely dismiss the social utility of eminent domain is very unreasonable.
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BS. The entire transcontinental railroad was built without the use of eminent domain
 
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Vol8188 said:
BS. The entire transcontinental railroad was built without the use of eminent domain
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I didn't claim it was. I claimed commerce would slow to a crawl without a national highway system. Those are two different things.
 
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RobsPics said:
I didn't claim it was. I claimed commerce would slow to a crawl without a national highway system. Those are two different things.
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You're claiming highways are dependent upon eminent domain. I'm telling you that's not the case. How is this so difficult?
 
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Hmm...so now it turns out that the "socialist" theory of eminent domain was used to build railroads for the benefit of both private commercial business and the public at large. Just another example of "socialist" theory benefiting capitalism.
 
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Vol8188 said:
You're claiming highways are dependent upon eminent domain. I'm telling you that's not the case. How is this so difficult?
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You claimed the entire transcontinental railway was built without eminent domain. I just cited the congressional research service that contradicts your claim.
 
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RobsPics said:
Hmm...so now it turns out that the "socialist" theory of eminent domain was used to build railroads for the benefit of both private commercial business and the public at large. Just another example of "socialist" theory benefiting capitalism.
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That's my fault. I meant the Great Northern Railroad was built without the use of eminent domain. I had to go back and look that up.
 
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RobsPics said:

You claimed the entire transcontinental railway was built without eminent domain. I just cited the congressional research service that contradicts your claim.
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For some reason I was thinking that was the one, but it was actually the great northern railroad that I was thinking of
 
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No matter how much you tell me eminent domain benefits the masses, I'll never support it. If you take property from one person without there permission, that's one too many. Property rights are the most important rights we have.

If I told you we could eliminate the first or second amendment rights of some citizens and create 1,000 jobs, would you be on board?
 
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Vol8188 said:
No matter how much you tell me eminent domain benefits the masses, I'll never support it. If you take property from one person without there permission, that's one too many. Property rights are the most important rights we have.

If I told you we could eliminate the first or second amendment rights of some citizens and create 1,000 jobs, would you be on board?
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I am not trying to convince you to support eminent domain. If you do not support it, that is your right not to support it. All I am doing is setting forth why i think eminent domain is beneficial to the United States, and using specific examples to support my opinion. Everyone is free to agree or disagree with my opinion.

And yes I would be against the arbitrary elimination of 1st and 2nd amendment rights, because the US Constitution says those rights can only be amended via approval of the States.
 
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RobsPics said:
I am not trying to convince you to support eminent domain. If you do not support it, that is your right not to support it. All I am doing is setting forth why i think eminent domain is beneficial to the United States, and using specific examples to support my opinion. Everyone is free to agree or disagree with my opinion.

And yes I would be against the arbitrary elimination of 1st and 2nd amendment rights, because the US Constitution says those rights can only be amended via approval of the States.
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This is the entire reason why many didn't want to include a bill of rights. Because of the fear that anything they left out may not be considered a right of the people.

Property rights are the most important rights in a capitalist society and should not be infringed upon, nor should 1st or 2nd amendment rights.
 
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Pepe_Silvia said:
I would put them on land purchased at a price negotiated by the landowner and the government. Eminent domain is a power easily abused by the government.
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And if you can't negotiate a fair price, then find a new location. The bank normally owns a decent amount of land due to foreclosures that I'm sure they'd be happy to dump cheap.
 
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Vol8188 said:
This is the entire reason why many didn't want to include a bill of rights. Because of the fear that anything they left out may not be considered a right of the people.

Property rights are the most important rights in a capitalist society and should not be infringed upon, nor should 1st or 2nd amendment rights.
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Except no right is absolute. Not the 1st Amendment (slander is illegal). And not the 2nd Amendment (mentally insane cannot possess guns). In those two instances, those rights have indeed been legally infringed.
 
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Property rights are not absolute either. That's why the government can infringe on property rights by preventing a residential homeowner from constructing a toxic chemicals dump in a residential neighborhood.
 
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Pepe_Silvia said:
I would put them on land purchased at a price negotiated by the landowner and the government. Eminent domain is a power easily abused by the government.
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What if nobody wants to sell? Then what happens? Will there be no school in your town, or do you put the city schools 15 miles out of town, near the county line where there are no people?

Where do you put your street and highway system? Do they connect Podunk to Bumphuk, or do you locate them where they need to be?
 
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