Tennessee's youth

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look at this video,it explains a lot and why some coaches are doing well in there first year

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7orcjOy2gw[/youtube]
 
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I've heard this "youth excuse" for 7 years...seems 'bout right...wait...what?
 
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I know,but they are a very young team and not much depth,look at what the injuries have done to them this year,if they had a lot of older players,there would be a lot of starters red shirting
 
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I know. It's tough seeing the trees instead of the forest. Truth is, change one little outcome (UF loss) & everyone is feeling good about where we are at. Two streaks broken, tied for first in the east, and ranked in top 25 probably. We are getting very close and I am enjoying the absolute rebuild this job was. Hopefully it all keeps coming together and we are back on solid ground soon and the wins start piling up again. Dooley wouldn't get a program there in a million years. CBJ has put in some real work since he got here. I want to see it pay off for him. I personally like seeing people succeed and achieve their goals.
 
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Oh this is not going to make some people happy at all.... How dare the truth behind the numbers be exposed!!!!
 
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And next year we'll only be younger. And wait til 2017...we'll really be young and inexperienced then. And then in 2018......
 
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Young, but these kids are resilient. I mean, there's this resiliency about them. It's like... they're resilient. :D
 
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The numbers work well except for the comparison with UF. Slight advantage for UF in the youth department but huge difference in record.
 
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The numbers work well except for the comparison with UF. Slight advantage for UF in the youth department but huge difference in record.

He sorta glossed over that because it didn't fit his "we're young" excuse template.

McElwain is Butch's worst nightmare. He's a guy that's under-selling and over-delivering versus Butch, who ever-sells and under-delivers. Mac is 6-1 and just went toe-to-toe with arguably the best team in the nation during a week where he lost his starting QB. He also has his team poised to make the SECCG in year 1, not year 3, or 4, year 1!
 
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This "youth" excuse is tiresome. I haven't heard anyone argue the fact that we play a lot of underclassmen, we do. And every year we hear from the head coach whether CBJ or CDD, it's the same song. I guess my reply to this issue is, why do we play so many freshmen? The only reason I can come back to is that our coaching staff can't develop talent. I understand that you'll get your underclassmen that are more talented than upperclassmen, and may even come in and start right away, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't at least have depth across the board by now. I mean, as soon as a upperclassman is recruited over, in regards to talent, do we just quit on the upperclassman....all in all, I understand the "youth" issues, but our coaching staff can't even take what's left and turn them into capable back ups, which is inexcusable to me.
 
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Excuses are for coaches who lose games they shouldn't. Crap happens. I get it. But when it becomes a trend it needs to be corrected at the top level.
 
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The numbers work well except for the comparison with UF. Slight advantage for UF in the youth department but huge difference in record.

The youth and inexperience is most telling on defense where we are starting true freshmen at mlb and the most effective players at one DE, one DT, and one old are true freshmen. While the dos are upperclassmen, they have not been very productive this year.You can dismiss the youth card if you wish, but you are hiding your head in the sand or you don't know much about the maturing process of the human body.
 
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This "youth" excuse is tiresome. I haven't heard anyone argue the fact that we play a lot of underclassmen, we do. And every year we hear from the head coach whether CBJ or CDD, it's the same song. I guess my reply to this issue is, why do we play so many freshmen? The only reason I can come back to is that our coaching staff can't develop talent. I understand that you'll get your underclassmen that are more talented than upperclassmen, and may even come in and start right away, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't at least have depth across the board by now. I mean, as soon as a upperclassman is recruited over, in regards to talent, do we just quit on the upperclassman....all in all, I understand the "youth" issues, but our coaching staff can't even take what's left and turn them into capable back ups, which is inexcusable to me.

This is false. We aren't playing NEARLY the number of True FR that we did last year. Look at the stats in the video - the large majority of our starters are true Sophomores. Which makes sense because 2014 was the first "legit" class with a boatload of highly ranked players.

We have a pretty good number of upperclassmen who are contributing (JRM, Sutton, Vereen, Pearson, Randolph, McNeil, Jackson (if he were healthy), etc. I guess you could argue some of these guys aren't playing that well, but I don't think you can make the blanket statement that all upperclassmen are under-performing.

2014 was the first "all-star" recruiting class for Butch. These are the sophomores who are providing major contributions thus far this season. 2013 was a solid class, but most of the players were recruited by and committed to Dooley. There were a few players in that class that committed after Butch arrived (i.e. Dobbs flip from ASU).
 
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He sorta glossed over that because it didn't fit his "we're young" excuse template.

McElwain is Butch's worst nightmare. He's a guy that's under-selling and over-delivering versus Butch, who ever-sells and under-delivers. Mac is 6-1 and just went toe-to-toe with arguably the best team in the nation during a week where he lost his starting QB. He also has his team poised to make the SECCG in year 1, not year 3, or 4, year 1!

When you compare Dooley's recruiting classes with Florida under Muschamp there really is no comparison - Florida got some major breaks or we shot ourselves in the foot which allowed Florida to win at home by 1 point. Reverse those results, kick a field goal, make a stop and those teams have identical records. I am sure there is always going to be one outlier out there that someone can point to try to invalidate the op's point but the truth is this is a team made up primarily of true freshmen and true sophomores because --- Butch has had two recruiting classes and Dooley's recruiting and recruiting classes were garbage. Yes we should have opened up the offense earlier, yes Debord was a questionable hire and his play calling has been marginal, yes Will Greer outplayed Josh Dobbs and is a better passer, but yes we are still one of the youngest teams in all of college football. It is what it is. Next year the argument is less valid, but next year we will win 10-12 games so you whiners will have less to complain about.
 
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this "youth" excuse is tiresome. I haven't heard anyone argue the fact that we play a lot of underclassmen, we do. And every year we hear from the head coach whether cbj or cdd, it's the same song. I guess my reply to this issue is, why do we play so many freshmen? The only reason i can come back to is that our coaching staff can't develop talent. I understand that you'll get your underclassmen that are more talented than upperclassmen, and may even come in and start right away, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't at least have depth across the board by now. I mean, as soon as a upperclassman is recruited over, in regards to talent, do we just quit on the upperclassman....all in all, i understand the "youth" issues, but our coaching staff can't even take what's left and turn them into capable back ups, which is inexcusable to me.

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This "youth" excuse is tiresome. I haven't heard anyone argue the fact that we play a lot of underclassmen, we do. And every year we hear from the head coach whether CBJ or CDD, it's the same song. I guess my reply to this issue is, why do we play so many freshmen? The only reason I can come back to is that our coaching staff can't develop talent. I understand that you'll get your underclassmen that are more talented than upperclassmen, and may even come in and start right away, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't at least have depth across the board by now. I mean, as soon as a upperclassman is recruited over, in regards to talent, do we just quit on the upperclassman....all in all, I understand the "youth" issues, but our coaching staff can't even take what's left and turn them into capable back ups, which is inexcusable to me.


We are playing more freshmen and sophomores because Dooley did a terrible job at bringing in talent. You can't blame this coaching staff for not coaching up upperclassmen when they have brought in better underclassmen. If the team fails with the upperclassmen they recruited the next few years. It will fall upon them ,but you can't hold the lack of talented upperclassmen against the staff who wasn't here to recruit them.
 
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look at this video,it explains a lot and why some coaches are doing well in there first year

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7orcjOy2gw[/youtube]

If it walks and quacks like a duck... It's a duck. We are younger than most still, it's a fact. Next year is the turning point.
 
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the classes of 2014 and a lot of 2015 will provide the veteran leadership and experience in 2016 and 2017. 2016 class and a good portion of the 2015 class will provide some depth.

i read the other day and it was probably here somewhere, of the top 50 recruits from 2015...how are they doing. we had 3 of them and all three were playing and contributing.

Alabama had 7 of them, and they red shirted 3 or 4 of those guys.

that's a big deal.

i'm not defending the coaching decisions. if you've ready any of my posts, you know how i feel about how the OU and FL games should have/could have finished.

but if you don't acknowledge that this youth, competitive depth and experience deal is a real thing, the you're just choosing to be blind.

the future is looking good.
 
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He sorta glossed over that because it didn't fit his "we're young" excuse template.

McElwain is Butch's worst nightmare. He's a guy that's under-selling and over-delivering versus Butch, who ever-sells and under-delivers. Mac is 6-1 and just went toe-to-toe with arguably the best team in the nation during a week where he lost his starting QB. He also has his team poised to make the SECCG in year 1, not year 3, or 4, year 1!


I get this and I gave a "like" for it. But......

He also inherited probably a top-5 defense as well. Wonder what UT's defense was in Butch's first year? A good defense and good running back will win you lots of games. If you have a good QB, well....you just may win them all.

Except for perhaps the O-line, Dooley left us basically in tatters in most every department.
 
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We are playing more freshmen and sophomores because Dooley did a terrible job at bringing in talent. You can't blame this coaching staff for not coaching up upperclassmen when they have brought in better underclassmen. If the team fails with the upperclassmen they recruited the next few years. It will fall upon them ,but you can't hold the lack of talented upperclassmen against the staff who wasn't here to recruit them.

Perfectly said.
 
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Fat guys with McDonald's as a sponsor. Still boils down to in game coaching mistakes. This team should be undefeated. It's not the players it's the coaches.
 

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