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“By the way, this is one of these Vegas lines that is so terrifying I understand if you don’t bet it at all. I’d bet 90% of the bets here are going to be on South Carolina. Which means every site is going to need the Vols big. When that happens, Vegas doesn’t lose big very often. I’m just saying.”

Vols by 13 plus. Vegas and Vols win big this weekend 🍊🍊🍊🍊🍊🍊🍊🍊
 
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“By the way, this is one of these Vegas lines that is so terrifying I understand if you don’t bet it at all. I’d bet 90% of the bets here are going to be on South Carolina. Which means every site is going to need the Vols big. When that happens, Vegas doesn’t lose big very often. I’m just saying.”

Vols by 13 plus. Vegas and Vols win big this weekend 🍊🍊🍊🍊🍊🍊🍊🍊
Is he suggesting the outcome of the game is determined by the points spread?
 
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Wouldn't they just keep moving the line down until the bet money evens out if that were the case? That's how I always understood booking to be profitable, i.e. even out the bets so that the house wins either way.

I thought that as well. Not a big gambler, but I was under the assumption that the line evens out as the bets come in.
 
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Wouldn't they just keep moving the line down until the bet money evens out if that were the case? That's how I always understood booking to be profitable, i.e. even out the bets so that the house wins either way.
It's uncanny how well Vegas does. When a line and game like this presents, it makes you wonder what's really at play behind the scenes. Vegas have an ace up their sleeves? Who are the refs? Any big players laying down large sums on this one? Is this a bit like a stock market short play? I'm no gambler, but I am a seasoned tin hat guy. Something smells with this one. One thing is certain tho...I got zero expectations and a secure cup going into Saturday. No way in Hades would I bet this game. Nope
 
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I thought that as well. Not a big gambler, but I was under the assumption that the line evens out as the bets come in.
I think that is how the professionals do it. Now maybe some amateur book run out of a fraternity house works different but those guys don't tend to stay in business real long anyway.
 
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I thought that as well. Not a big gambler, but I was under the assumption that the line evens out as the bets come in.
They usually do unless you get a enormous bet and they usually start investigating big bets but its getting harder than the past when Vegas was about the only place you could bet. Now a syndicate could spread them out from state to state and from all the online betting sites. But they did investigate and caught the Bama Baseball coach recently for shaving points on his on team, not necessarily losing, with ppl doing the betting for him for a cut.
 
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Wouldn't they just keep moving the line down until the bet money evens out if that were the case? That's how I always understood booking to be profitable, i.e. even out the bets so that the house wins either way.

They indeed move the lines. But, sometimes that doesn’t prevent significantly more money coming in on one side.

Clay Travis is right. This is a sucker line, because it seems “obvious” that it is too high on the Vols side…and SC seems like an obvious pick. If they are begging you to take SC, beware.

The Colorado-Oregon line was similar. Everyone I talked to thought Oregon -21 was way too high (including me) until it wasn’t. I bet Vegas cleaned up on that game.
 
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Vegas is obviously very good at handicapping games, but let’s not act like they are infallible. You see what you want to see with this stuff. I hope they are right, but there are several recent examples of just Tennessee only games where the opening line was not even close.

-23.5 @ South Carolina last year
-7.5 @ Florida this year
-42.5 Austin Peay

Just a few famous ones that come to mind. My point being that I don’t think this is some grand conspiracy by Vegas to get the money on South Carolina.
 
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Wouldn't they just keep moving the line down until the bet money evens out if that were the case? That's how I always understood booking to be profitable, i.e. even out the bets so that the house wins either way.

Yeah, but he wants more clicks from rabid fans of major fanbases.
 
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They indeed move the lines. But, sometimes that doesn’t prevent significantly more money coming in on one side.

Clay Travis is right. This is a sucker line, because it seems “obvious” that it is too high on the Vols side…and SC seems like an obvious pick. If they are begging you to take SC, beware.

The Colorado-Oregon line was similar. Everyone I talked to thought Oregon -21 was way too high (including me) until it wasn’t. I bet Vegas cleaned up on that game.
Vegas does not "clean up" on games. They balance the betting 50/50 and "clean up" on the 10% juice from the losers. When they have significant play on one side, they hand off to other bookmakers to balance their betting. They are not in the business to make wagers on certain sides, wittingly or unwittingly. It's all about the juice.
 
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Wouldn't they just keep moving the line down until the bet money evens out if that were the case? That's how I always understood booking to be profitable, i.e. even out the bets so that the house wins either way.

So this is a bit confusing but I wanted to learn about this as well a while back, even though I don't bet/gamble. So this is how it works:

90% of the time, yes, this is the case, Vegas wants the money to be even. But a few times a year Vegas will make a "sucker bet" where they are very sure of a certain outcome, and equally sure that the money will come in on the other outcome. Vegas can make a killing if the overwhelming majority bets the wrong way and everyone loses a ton of money.

So in this situation for example, Vegas is very sure of 2 things:

1. Tennessee wins big
2. The big majority takes South Carolina to cover

The result will be that the big majority is wrong, so the big majority loses to Vegas.

The Tennessee-Georgia game last year did this, and it's why I was trying to convince people that it was going to be a bad night for us. Georgia opened as huge favorites, all the money came in on Tennessee, and Vegas never moved the line, they were more than happy for everyone to lose their arses betting on Tennessee to cover. When you see that happening to your team, watch out. It's going to be a rough night.

If I'm a South Carolina fan, I don't like what I'm seeing at all with this line.
 
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“By the way, this is one of these Vegas lines that is so terrifying I understand if you don’t bet it at all. I’d bet 90% of the bets here are going to be on South Carolina. Which means every site is going to need the Vols big. When that happens, Vegas doesn’t lose big very often. I’m just saying.”

Vols by 13 plus. Vegas and Vols win big this weekend 🍊🍊🍊🍊🍊🍊🍊🍊
Clay Travis is part of a growing movement of celebrating the intersection of stupid and crazy. Vegas is a market driven by betting action. It’s not a conspiracy.
 
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Vegas does not "clean up" on games. They balance the betting 50/50 and "clean up" on the 10% juice from the losers. When they have significant play on one side, they hand off to other bookmakers to balance their betting. They are not in the business to make wagers on certain sides, wittingly or unwittingly. It's all about the juice.

They try to do that, but it doesn’t get balanced on every game. Read the articles on ESPN.com on gambling. Every so often a Casino Sportsbook has large exposure on a game.

The Colorado effect is a “Prime” example:

Colorado entered the [Colorado State] contest as a 23-point favorite, but even at that sky-high number the public was shovelling money on them. The Buffaloes were the most bet on college team in Week 3, drawing two and a half times more spread wagers than any other program.

That’s been the case for three straight weeks now. Even though the books recouped some of their CU losses this past Saturday, they’ve got a long way to go before they’re back to even.

In Week 1, the Buffaloes were sportsbooks number one liability, and they cashed a +800 outright ticket against the Horned Frogs. A massive amount of Colorado action pushed them from 2.5-point underdogs to 2.5-point favorites over Nebraska in Week 2, and the Buffaloes came away with an easy cover.



Massive Liability Dodged

Oregon closed as a 21-point favorite. Public/recreational bettors still felt confident that Colorado would not only cover the spread, but would pull off another big upset, as it did in Week 1 at TCU.

Multiple sportsbooks reported overwhelmingly lopsided play on Colorado moneyline, which ranged from +550 to +700, depending on where you bet. At the lower end of that scale, a $10 bet on Colorado to win outright would have profited $55, for a $65 total payout.

Pregame, books were looking at a huge loss if the Buffs got an outright win. Tickets and money were piled high on a Colorado upset.

"Colorado moneyline is now the biggest liability we’ve seen in the past three seasons of college football," said Zachary Lucas, TwinSpires Sportsbook director of retail sports.

But this game was over in a hurry. Oregon led 35-0 at halftime and breezed to a 42-6 win, not only averting any thoughts of being upset, but also easily covering the three-touchdown spread.

"We [were] definitely Ducks fans today. Across the board, [we] were rooting for an Oregon blowout," SuperBook senior risk supervisor Casey Degnon said.

The oddsmakers certainly got that.

"It’s the best result of the young season so far," Lucas said. "The public took it on the chin in this game."
 
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Vegas is obviously very good at handicapping games, but let’s not act like they are infallible. You see what you want to see with this stuff. I hope they are right, but there are several recent examples of just Tennessee only games where the opening line was not even close.

-23.5 @ South Carolina last year
-7.5 @ Florida this year
-42.5 Austin Peay

Just a few famous ones that come to mind. My point being that I don’t think this is some grand conspiracy by Vegas to get the money on South Carolina.
Vegas' goal: get betting action relatively evenly distributed on both sides of the line. If they accomplish that, they win. Infallibility is never their goal.
 
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