Fact: Tennessee Fans Refuse to Understand

[ptclaus98]

Tennessee has a monolithic stadium, tons of cash, and a HUGE number of bowl appearances, bowl wins and all-time victories. When you consider that Tennessee has 6 national titles and plays in the SEC, there's no doubt that this is a Top Ten opening.

Top ten program, yes. Top ten opening, no.

 

[rockytophigh]

Better than UT....(in no particular order)
Florida
Alabama
LSU
USC
Ohio State
Penn State
Notre Dame
Texas
Oklahoma

Equals at best right now.....(and I personally think we are behind most of these)
Georgia
Ole Miss
Florida State
Virginia Tech
Miami
West Virginia
Michigan
Iowa
Nebraska
Oklahoma State
Oregon
Boise State


TENNESSEE IS NOT A TOP 10 FOOTBALL TEAM ANYMORE...We were a top 10 program from 1985-2003, but not now

This is a perfect example of why women shouldn't be allowed to watch or discuss football. :blink:

 

[tvolsfan]

Better than UT....(in no particular order)
Florida
Alabama
LSU
USC
Ohio State
Penn State
Notre Dame
Texas
Oklahoma

Equals at best right now.....(and I personally think we are behind most of these)
Georgia
Ole Miss
Florida State
Virginia Tech
Miami
West Virginia
Michigan
Iowa
Nebraska
Oklahoma State
Oregon
Boise State


TENNESSEE IS NOT A TOP 10 FOOTBALL TEAM ANYMORE...We were a top 10 program from 1985-2003, but not now

What's so appealing about the Alabama job? All the hot girls in Tuscaloosa? Give me a break, your lists are horrendus. Michigan is a top 10 job, and we're far above the level of teams like Iowa.

 

[n_huffhines]

Tennessee is NOT a TOP 10 job.

There are only 10 schools with BCS titles. Tennessee has one. Tennessee is a top 10 program all time. We have great facilities. We pay well. We support. I don't know where you get this. There are only a few programs I would currently rate ahead of Tennessee right now.

USC
Florida
Texas
tOSU
LSU
OU
Bama
ND

For instance, Oregon is a good program, but Kiffin wouldn't have left for Oregon. I'm not saying Tennessee is better. Kelly's not leaving Oregon for Tennessee either. But the bottom line is this is one of the most coveted jobs in football. The problem is timing right now.

 

[UTVOL0904]

You know what really hurts us? People like YOU. All the people who say UT isn't a top 10 job are Florida and Bama fans. Florida has only recently become a relevant program and before that they were rampant cheaters in the 80's. If Spurrier had never come around, Florida would have been a footnote. And as for Bama, well we rocked them annually until Saban came around.

We are UT. The first team to ever win a BCS title, the team that produced the greatest QB ever. We've been to 5 of the last 12 SEC titles, more than any other team in that span. It's only people like you who call us mediocre. Tennessee is a title contender and will get a coach to take us there.

So please, shut the hell up. I like to welcome all members to the UT family, but I can't stand you guys in the Legions of the Miserable.

Amen sir.

 

[BlueHalo]

Better than UT....(in no particular order)
Florida
Alabama
LSU
USC
Ohio State
Penn State
Notre Dame
Texas
Oklahoma

Equals at best right now.....(and I personally think we are behind most of these)
Georgia
Ole Miss
Florida State
Virginia Tech
Miami
West Virginia
Michigan
Iowa
Nebraska
Oklahoma State
Oregon
Boise State


TENNESSEE IS NOT A TOP 10 FOOTBALL TEAM ANYMORE...We were a top 10 program from 1985-2003, but not now

Literally LOL'd when I read Iowa, WVU, OkSt. HAHAHAH

 

[sbfinley]

We are UT. The first team to ever win a BCS title, the team that produced the greatest QB ever. We've been to 5 of the last 12 SEC titles, more than any other team in that span. It's only people like you who call us mediocre. Tennessee is a title contender and will get a coach to take us there.
.

Didn't we have a coach that did all those things? Oh.... yeah.

 

[lawgator1]

You know what really hurts us? People like YOU. All the people who say UT isn't a top 10 job are Florida and Bama fans. Florida has only recently become a relevant program and before that they were rampant cheaters in the 80's. If Spurrier had never come around, Florida would have been a footnote. And as for Bama, well we rocked them annually until Saban came around.

We are UT. The first team to ever win a BCS title, the team that produced the greatest QB ever. We've been to 5 of the last 12 SEC titles, more than any other team in that span. It's only people like you who call us mediocre. Tennessee is a title contender and will get a coach to take us there.

So please, shut the hell up. I like to welcome all members to the UT family, but I can't stand you guys in the Legions of the Miserable.

You guys are so funny, basing your statistics on some really odd permutation of what makes you relevant and how far you go back to get the best percentage you can.

Getting to the SECCG. In the last 12 years. That's pretty sad.

Focus should be on how much you've won it the last 5 years, not how often you've managed to get there only to end up in a bowl named for a fast food restaurant or a cheap steak place.

When you look at top 10 program, you can look at it 3 different ways. A program that has a history of success and has had recent success or either/or. Then you have to look at what is success? Obviously national titles, but is appeariing in 4 SEC championship games in 8 years considered some success?

Bottom line is I don't think there's 10 programs you can put in either of the 3 scenarios without much debate. But if you look at who was here 50 years ago and is still relevant now then there is only really 8 teams that stand out..

1. Alabama
2. Texas
3. USC
4. Ohio State
5. Oklahoma
6. Notre Dame
7. Nebraska
8. Michigan
9. Penn State
10. Tennessee

Same problem. If you go back 50 years, where's Lehigh? Or Army?

I know of no coach worth a damn these days who says "I wanna go coach there because 50 years ago they were the best!" They want to go to a place that's currently and perennially in the discussion for national competitiveness, or just outside it, that will pay megabucks and where basic recruiting is reasonably automatic.

Saying you are a top team based on a 50-year span is the same kind of "when giants roamed the Earth" thinking that kept that relic Fulmer around here.

 

[raynochonspeed]

Tennessee is no longer a top 10 football school and hasn't been since 2002.

You can argue all-time wins and national titles until you are blue in the face. The reality is the game is played by 18-22 year old men every year, and in the lifetimes of those athletes we are currently recruiting - those who would devote their college years to the Big Orange - UT hasn't been an exciting, relevant product since they were 10-12 years old. And no national titles since these kids were in single digits.

We care. To us, UT is a top 10 team/program/coaching opening. Nationally, it is no longer true.

 

[jsc1973]

We were a top 10 program from 1985-2003, but not now

Crap. You don't lose that distinction as a program because you have a couple of bad seasons. Oklahoma had a stretch in the mid '90s where they were awful, but they were still a top 10 program. Alabama went 3-8 under DuBose and 3-9 under Shula, they were still a top 10 program. Michigan is terrible right now, but Michigan is one of the greatest college football programs of all time, and won't stay terrible for long.

Boise State is a top 10 team right now. They don't become a better program than Tennessee because they've had a few good years where they just happen to be better than Tennessee.

All-Time College Football Teams With Most Wins 1869-2008
Min. 500 Games Played

1 Michigan 872 295 36 0.740 1203
2 Texas 832 317 33 0.718 1182
3 Notre Dame 831 284 42 0.736 1157
4 Nebraska 817 337 40 0.701 1194
5 Ohio State 808 306 53 0.715 1167
6 Penn State 800 349 42 0.689 1191
7 Alabama 799 316 43 0.709 1158
8 Oklahoma 791 397 53 0.716 1141
9 Tennessee 776 327 53 0.694 1156
10 USC 766 303 54 0.706 1123

All-Time College Football Highest Winning Percentage 1869-2008
Min. 500 Games Played

1 Michigan 872 295 36 0.740 1203
2 Notre Dame 831 284 42 0.736 1157
3 Texas 832 317 33 0.718 1182
4 Oklahoma 791 297 53 0.716 1141
5 Ohio State 808 306 53 0.715 1167
6 Alabama 799 316 43 0.709 1158
7 USC 766 303 54 0.706 1123
8 Nebraska 817 337 40 0.701 1194
9 Tennessee 776 327 53 0.694 1156
10 Penn State 800 349 42 0.689 1191

And since 1936...

Nat'l Championship Era: College Football Teams With Highest Winning Percentage

1 Oklahoma 604 194 22 0.750 820
2 Ohio State 564 198 22 0.742 775
3 Penn State 565 208 15 0.727 788
4 Michigan 553 212 17 0.718 782
5 Tennessee 566 224 28 0.709 818
6 Alabama 571 229 24 0.708 824
7 Texas 570 232 15 0.707 817
8 Notre Dame 550 223 20 0.706 793
9 Southern Cal 550 232 36 0.694 818
10 Nebraska 554 250 13 0.686 817

 

[Z06Vol]

It seems like the ones that are "mysteriously" turning down UT don't want to put the extra effort in recruiting that's required in Knoxville. Having said that, we can pay top 5 money, have top 5 fan base, and have top 5 in facilities. Yes, the recruiting is a bit more challenging but everything else is there.

 

[bearcub347]

Top Ten Jobs in College Football

1st Tier

1. Florida
2. Texas
3. Alabama
4. USC
5. Notre Dame
6. Ohio State
7. Oklahoma

The 1st Tier really is significantly higher than the others. These schools (Notre Dame exception) have it all and are have CONSISTENTLY been the key players in college football the past 10 years.
-------------------

2nd Tier

8. Penn State
9. Nebraska
10. LSU
11. Michigan
12. Georgia
13. Tennessee
14. Florida State
15. Virginia Tech
16. Miami

2nd Tier. Granted, ANY of these schools can move into that top tier pretty easily. But something is lacking; these are great, great jobs, but not quite the best in the nation.

3rd Tier

17. Oregon
18. Iowa
19. Auburn
20. Georgia Tech
21. Clemson
22. West Virginia

Schools like that...

My criteria really comes down to this:

1. National Relevance (Recent success, Big Wins, TV Time, Draws Recruits, Sponsorships)
2. Commitment to the Program (Funding, Facilities, Fan Support)
3. Pedigree (Traditions, Past success)

In saying all of that, I legitimately think it is a mistake for Muschamp, Peterson, Patterson, or any of the coaches we have mentioned to not come to TN.

At this point, I hope we land the long-shot Lovie Smith

 

[VolsVolsVols]

... Florida the best job in college football?

Hahahahahahahaha.

 

[superdave1984]

7 USC 766 303 54 0.706 1123

9 Tennessee 776 327 53 0.694 1156

When I divide 766 by 1123 I get .682, not .706. And also I get .671 for UT. Am I doing it wrong?

BTW, the trojan wiki page lists their All-time record 772–306–54 (.706)
Who the hell knows?

 

[Vercingetorix]

If the Tennessee job were as attractive to today's coaches as some of you guys think it is, we wouldn't have just had the Air Force coach turn us down over a disagreement about how long the contract was going to be. We wouldn't have had the TCU coach preemptively announce he wasn't coming. Remember when we laughed at Alabama because Rodriguez decided he'd rather stay at West Virginia? This is the same thing, but worse. We can't even get guys at mid-majors to take our job.

Coaches don't care about tradition. Coaches don't care about national championships in the 50s. Some of you guys are like a 45 year old woman who still pancakes the makeup on and wears low cut tops because she was hot in college.

 

[Pooods]

Over a century of tradition (winning tradition may I add)
Bowl wins to rank up there with any team in the country
One of the biggest stadiums in the country
$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and more $$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Multiple national titles
A fan base more loyal than 90% in the country
In the spotlight
Playing in the best conference in the country against the best players and coaches
Beautiful color of ORANGE to wear!!

We are in the top 10 coaching jobs in America and will always be there.

 

[CardassianVol]

I think most reasonable people refuse to believe lies and nonsense such as this thread.

 

[The_Lane_Train]

When you look at top 10 program, you can look at it 3 different ways. A program that has a history of success and has had recent success or either/or. Then you have to look at what is success? Obviously national titles, but is appeariing in 4 SEC championship games in 8 years considered some success?

Bottom line is I don't think there's 10 programs you can put in either of the 3 scenarios without much debate. But if you look at who was here 50 years ago and is still relevant now then there is only really 8 teams that stand out..

1. Alabama
2. Texas
3. USC
4. Ohio State
5. Oklahoma
6. Notre Dame
7. Nebraska
8. Michigan
9. Penn State
10. Tennessee

THIS^^^, with our Facilities and Tradition there is NO WAY in hell we aren't a top ten JOB.

 

[CardassianVol]

7 USC 766 303 54 0.706 1123

9 Tennessee 776 327 53 0.694 1156

When I divide 766 by 1123 I get .682, not .706. And also I get .671 for UT. Am I doing it wrong?

BTW, the trojan wiki page lists their All-time record 772–306–54 (.706)
Who the hell knows?

A tie isn't a win or a loss. It counts as half of a win in these things. Add half of 53 to 776 and then divide and you'll get the answer.

 

[Nikey Phats]

Top Ten Jobs in College Football

1st Tier

1. Florida
2. Texas
3. Alabama
4. USC
5. Notre Dame
6. Ohio State
7. Oklahoma

The 1st Tier really is significantly higher than the others. These schools (Notre Dame exception) have it all and are have CONSISTENTLY been the key players in college football the past 10 years.
-------------------

2nd Tier

8. Penn State
9. Nebraska
10. LSU
11. Michigan
12. Georgia
13. Tennessee
14. Florida State
15. Virginia Tech
16. Miami

2nd Tier. Granted, ANY of these schools can move into that top tier pretty easily. But something is lacking; these are great, great jobs, but not quite the best in the nation.

3rd Tier

17. Oregon
18. Iowa
19. Auburn
20. Georgia Tech
21. Clemson
22. West Virginia

Schools like that...

My criteria really comes down to this:

1. National Relevance (Recent success, Big Wins, TV Time, Draws Recruits, Sponsorships)
2. Commitment to the Program (Funding, Facilities, Fan Support)
3. Pedigree (Traditions, Past success)

In saying all of that, I legitimately think it is a mistake for Muschamp, Peterson, Patterson, or any of the coaches we have mentioned to not come to TN.

At this point, I hope we land the long-shot Lovie Smith

The best in list in this thread in my opinion. One of the few that is actually realistic.

Some people are dreaming, but reality will hit them once they realize top tier coaches aren't pursuing the UT head coaching job as they would a Florida, Texas, LSU, etc.

 

[no1g8r]

We've been to 5 of the last 12 SEC titles, more than any other team in that span.

Not to poke at the sentiment here, but in the interest of accuracy, Florida has been to 5 of the last 10 SEC championship games, so by default UF has equaled what UT has done here. Just pointing it out so someone else doesn't lose a bet or something.

My opinion means nothing here (which will probably be quoted), but while I agree that the UT program overall is a top 10 program, today the UT head coaching job is probably not a top 10 job. More like in the 15-20 range, but with the right coach, could easily be a top 10 job after the next couple of years, and a top 5 job within the next 4-5 years. With the right coach.

Good luck!

 

[hatingbamaisawayoflife]

please name 10 better???????????????

 

[chili dog]

More than one of the talking heads I've heard say anything about the coaching job at UT has said it's a top 10 or 15 job.

 

[TrueOrange]

OR the reality of the issue going on now isn't that the school's not a top 10 job,

it's that no coach is going to back up and leave from one school to go to another with only 3 weeks before signing day...it's too much strain to cover (and of course having to make the decision in a day or two as well)

 

[rockytophigh]

If the Tennessee job were as attractive to today's coaches as some of you guys think it is, we wouldn't have just had the Air Force coach turn us down over a disagreement about how long the contract was going to be. We wouldn't have had the TCU coach preemptively announce he wasn't coming. Remember when we laughed at Alabama because Rodriguez decided he'd rather stay at West Virginia? This is the same thing, but worse. We can't even get guys at mid-majors to take our job.

Coaches don't care about tradition. Coaches don't care about national championships in the 50s. Some of you guys are like a 45 year old woman who still pancakes the makeup on and wears low cut tops because she was hot in college.

I'm telling you it's not WHAT the salesman is selling....it's the salesman WHO'S selling it that's the issue.