Elite Camp June 20th

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Chris4Vols22 said:
How do you figure, calculator?
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I worded that wrong. I should've compared their success in terms of how far their teams advanced. Pretty comparable, IMO

Don't get me wrong . I think RB will be great for UT, but I don't think he's head and shoulders above Pearl.
 
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vols 30 said:
I worded that wrong. I should've compared their success in terms of how far their teams advanced. Pretty comparable, IMO

Don't get me wrong . I think RB will be great for UT, but I don't think he's head and shoulders above Pearl.
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Barnes has made it in many more times, and has advanced farther. In what facet within the NCAA tourney is Pearl more accomplished than Barnes?
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
Barnes has made it in many more times, and has advanced farther. In what facet within the NCAA tourney is Pearl more accomplished than Barnes?
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RB is more accomplished than Pearl, But it's not like he had Texas in the final 4 every year.

RB is more accomplished but by a small margin
 
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Dallasbowlin said:
I'd take Donnie over cuonzo any day of the week, jmo, carry on.
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Well you have proven have good your sense of judgement is. You where what, 12-16 years old when Martin was here?

Numbers don't lie. Results don't lie. Martin is way better. He has a top 5 class coming in and DT is on an extended vacay.

Anyone that says DT is better says it because they didn't like Martin's personality, or the way he spoke, or some other stupid thing like that.

Martin's results with the same low first season expectations where better. His offense was like the Warriors compared to DT. End game coaching and defense where about the same. Donnie and Zo both had trouble adjusting their defenses. CCM recruited better. Martin was better off the court, except to some he didn't kiss enough butt. Martin was better. Look at the results. "You are what your record says you are."
 
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BigZiti09 said:
Yep. That list looks great, but like you said, those are "possibilities" and not confirmed visitors.

Of those guys listed, who do you think we have the best shot at? Give me a few you think we will be legitimately involved with going forward.
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I've actually been trying to get around to working on a 2016 big board, but a few guys who I think Tennessee will have a very good chance with...

Jordan Bone PG 4* #81 composite ranking...don't need to say much here, most know his story and where the Vols stand.

Grant Williams PF 4* #119 composite ranking...Des Oliver hire paying dividend early, he had offered Williams at Charlotte and was quick to do so when he was hired at Tennessee. UT was his first major offer and assuming they make him a priority their chances are very good IMO.

Braxton Blackwell SF 4* #38 composite ranking...I like the chances here more than I did 2 weeks ago, the staff has started to settle in and look ahead and by doing so they've let Blackwell know he's a priority and he seems to receptive. Donovan leaving Florida helps, but the fact his ranking is declining will possibly also help. Much like Jalen Lindsay he's likely not gonna be a blue blood recruit, he likely won't be a top priority for Lousiville who's on his list, so if Tennessee makes him a top target I think it could open the door for them.

De'Riante Jenkins SF 4* #65 composite ranking...another Oliver to SC connection, there's a relationship there in place and Tennessee has been on him pretty hard lately. Clemson made an early offer so they'll likely be involved all the way til the end also.

Tony Bradley PF 4* #32 composite ranking...probably the biggest stretch on my list here, but it's a guy Tennessee coaches really like and have been recruiting pretty hard. He has a UNC offer and is thought to be a lean, but depending on AAU and how much love players are shown that could change, quite possibly the biggest realistic fish IMO.

Micah Thomas SF 3* #145 composite ranking...seems to be somewhat of a forgotten recruit, but he's out in Memphis, and a legitimate high major talent and seems to be a guy on the rise in the rankings.

Austin Meyer PF 3* #181 composite ranking...admittedly I don't know much about him, but when a family member comes here talking like they did you have to think the chances are good. As far as I can tell he doesn't have an offer, so that's one that may depend on how strongly the staff pursues him and where they feel they are with other targets.

Matthew Freeman PF NR...big guy from New Zealand who's not very well known by the recruiting services, but should become much more well known in the next 2 months as he'll be in the states playing in a couple events. Tennessee has been on him pretty hard, all g wkth Notre Dame and Vanderbilt, I would expect UT to get a visit as long as he checks out when they evaluate him next month.

And I'll kind of lump these 3 together with Freeman: Deng Gak, Jack White and Koby McEwan...the first 2 are from Australia the latter is from Canada. It's always hard to get a read on foreign players, but all 3 have some sort of interest from the new staff, to what extent I'm not really sure. Gak has an offer from UCONN, White is one of the best players in Australia this year, and McEwan has about 4-5 high major offers currently as well.
 
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k-town_king said:
Look at the results. "You are what your record says you are."
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Cuonzo Martin - 142-97 (.594) one NCAA, one Sweet 16. One Conference Championship (MVC)

Donnie Tyndall - 216-122 (.623), two NCAAs, one first round, one third round. One Conference Championship (CUSA).

Based on record only, I'd say Tyndall by a nose.
 
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germanicus said:
Cuonzo Martin - 142-97 (.594) one NCAA, one Sweet 16. One Conference Championship (MVC)

Donnie Tyndall - 216-122 (.623), two NCAAs, one first round, one third round. One Conference Championship (CUSA).

Based on record only, I'd say Tyndall by a nose.
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At UT
DT 16-16 .500 no postseason 63.3 ppg 64.2 opp ppg
CCM 63-41 60.6 2 NITS Sweet 16 69.1 ppg 63.4 opp ppg

No question who was the better coach here. One never missed the postseason, averaged more points, and gave up less points. A good coach's team improves as the season progresses, not gets worse. CCM's teams always improved while DT imploded. DT coached more years in worse conferences than CCM with the same amount of championships. He has three years on CCM with less success.
 
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k-town_king said:
At UT
DT 16-16 .500 no postseason 63.3 ppg 64.2 opp ppg
CCM 63-41 60.6 2 NITS Sweet 16 69.1 ppg 63.4 opp ppg

No question who was the better coach here. One never missed the postseason, averaged more points, and gave up less points. A good coach's team improves as the season progresses, not gets worse. CCM's teams always improved while DT imploded. DT coached more years in worse conferences than CCM with the same amount of championships. He has three years on CCM with less success.
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Both are pretty mediocre. Tennessee is way ahead now.
 
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Cuonzo might have improved by leaps and bounds but based solely on what I saw from both here, I think DT would coach circles around Cuonzo if given equal talent.

We will never know and coaches success depends on bringing in talent in addition to coaching them. Having observed every coach since and including Mears, I 'd pick Mears, Pearl, DT and Devoe at the as my top four if you had to give them a roster drawn out of a hat with six months of preparation time. Devoe is only behind DT because he might be so old school that he couldn't handle the modern player.

Mears and BP could succeed in any era. I was impressed by DT. We had nothing to work with compared to completion except Josh. We had three players on the sweet 16 team that at worst will make a lot of money and all might be in NBA in time.
 
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Let's not get into a pissing contest and beat an already pulverized horse corpse in regards to which coach is better than that coach.

The bottom line is that Rick Barnes is absolutely drumming up lots of interest in Tennessee with recruits that has been void since 2008.
 
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buriat said:
Cuonzo might have improved by leaps and bounds but based solely on what I saw from both here, I think DT would coach circles around Cuonzo if given equal talent.

We will never know and coaches success depends on bringing in talent in addition to coaching them. Having observed every coach since and including Mears, I 'd pick Mears, Pearl, DT and Devoe at the as my top four if you had to give them a roster drawn out of a hat with six months of preparation time. Devoe is only behind DT because he might be so old school that he couldn't handle the modern player.

Mears and BP could succeed in any era. I was impressed by DT. We had nothing to work with compared to completion except Josh. We had three players on the sweet 16 team that at worst will make a lot of money and all might be in NBA in time.
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Part of coaching is assembling a roster IMO

Martin and CDT took over very similar rosters, both were picked to finish about the same, Martin's team had a much more successful season than CDT's and that's not even debatable.
 
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I'll forgo discussing which former coach could do more with the same material. This thread wasn't the best place any way.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Whys that not good? He's gonna be at the NBPA Top 100 camp that's the same weekend, hard for kids to turn that camp down.
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I thought I posted it here, but come to find out I posted it in his thread. You know, it's pretty cool to actually know a top 100 player :)
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Whys that not good? He's gonna be at the NBPA Top 100 camp that's the same weekend, hard for kids to turn that camp down.
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Sorry I didn't know that there was an NBA camp that weekend. Next time i'll be sure to do all my research. The reason I said it was not good was because I thought he had a camp at another school or he just couldn't make it. And again excuse my ignorance :crazy:
 
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JohnMcA60 said:
Sorry I didn't know that there was an NBA camp that weekend. Next time i'll be sure to do all my research. The reason I said it was not good was because I thought he had a camp at another school or he just couldn't make it. And again excuse my ignorance :crazy:
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Lol I don't blame him, but personally I'd go to the Tennessee camp.
 
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