Deficit up 17%

Does that include the Founding Fathers? I'm just curious who was the first idiot and what happened.

Yes it includes the foundIng fathers. Since givernemnt was created, it has been screwing things up. It has been erroneously said that the government works for the people. Its one of the biggest loads of BS out there. The government steals money from the American citizen and spends it recklessly. We will always operate in the red. What party is in charge makes no difference.
 
Yes it includes the foundIng fathers. Since givernemnt was created, it has been screwing things up. It has been erroneously said that the government works for the people. Its one of the biggest loads of BS out there. The government steals money from the American citizen and spends it recklessly. We will always operate in the red. What party is in charge makes no difference.
I'm just curious as to why no great governmentless society has risen. You would think that government being not only unnecessary but bad, it would happen.
 
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From Al Gore's www...

Three Reasons for the Current Budget Deficit
Most people blame the deficits on entitlement programs. But that's only half the story. These enormous deficits are the result of three factors.

First, the attacks on 9/11 led to the War on Terror. That almost doubled annual military spending.
The Trump administration will set new records of defense spending. It is estimated to reach $874.4 billion in FY 2018 and $886 billion in FY 2019. Trump wants the additional funding to fight ISIS. Congress also granted a two-year reprieve from sequestration for military spending.

Second,
mandatory spending has increased. That means benefit payouts for Social Security, Medicare, and other mandated programs. It's exceeded $2 trillion a year since FY 2011. These payments consume two-thirds of the revenue each year. Only an Act of Congress that amends a program's benefits can change them.

Third, the Trump tax cut will reduce revenue. It's reducing the personal income tax rate, corporate taxes, and small business taxes. These cuts total $1.5 trillion over the next 10 years. But the Joint Committee on Taxation said the cuts will stimulate growth by 0.7 percent annually. The increased growth will add revenue, offsetting some of the tax cuts. As a result, the deficit will increase $1 trillion over the next decade.

Obama declared the war on ISIS over (it ain't)...so Trump needs to close that deal. The second item is off the table. The third item may have some arguments that the Dims could make, as we keep hearing they want their crumbs back.
 
I'm just curious as to why no great governmentless society has risen. You would think that government being not only unnecessary but bad, it would happen.

Hmmm sort of like no great socialistic society has ever risen huh? My main point is, the government would be good IF it operated as the founding fathers had proposed it to. Sadly, it didnt then and certainly doesnt now.

The more a government steps in, the worse things get in the vast majority of situations.
 
From Al Gore's www...

Three Reasons for the Current Budget Deficit
Most people blame the deficits on entitlement programs. But that's only half the story. These enormous deficits are the result of three factors.

First, the attacks on 9/11 led to the War on Terror. That almost doubled annual military spending.
The Trump administration will set new records of defense spending. It is estimated to reach $874.4 billion in FY 2018 and $886 billion in FY 2019. Trump wants the additional funding to fight ISIS. Congress also granted a two-year reprieve from sequestration for military spending.

Second,
mandatory spending has increased. That means benefit payouts for Social Security, Medicare, and other mandated programs. It's exceeded $2 trillion a year since FY 2011. These payments consume two-thirds of the revenue each year. Only an Act of Congress that amends a program's benefits can change them.

Third, the Trump tax cut will reduce revenue. It's reducing the personal income tax rate, corporate taxes, and small business taxes. These cuts total $1.5 trillion over the next 10 years. But the Joint Committee on Taxation said the cuts will stimulate growth by 0.7 percent annually. The increased growth will add revenue, offsetting some of the tax cuts. As a result, the deficit will increase $1 trillion over the next decade.

Obama declared the war on ISIS over (it ain't)...so Trump needs to close that deal. The second item is off the table. The third item may have some arguments that the Dims could make, as we keep hearing they want their crumbs back.
Notice 1 and 2 are past tense and 3 is future tense? Sorry, i dont trust the government or gore to predict anything
 
Ask any veteran how they like their VA care and you can equate that to a US run single payer healthcare plan.
Oh, I know and I have. I have a dear friend, combat vet. He's screwed over more than anyone would admit is unconscionable.

Father in law seems to have nothing but good things to say about his VA care (East TN region). He spent less than a year in Vietnam in the AF not injured but exposed to some Agent Orange spraying. He gets everything he could need in reasonable time period (about the same appointment time frames as a family doctor, sometimes quicker). He has had a couple of surgeries with top docs and everything. He had issues when he was in a different region, but that was because he was going to his appointments/doing things on his own and he is not the sharpest tool in the shed sometimes. Once he got some help from my wife with scheduling/keeping him on track, he has had great care here.

I know a couple younger people that have had issues with them, but don't know of all of their specific issues (disability ratings, etc). But hearing them complain, it doesn't sound any worse than normal insurance/pre-approval type stuff or just healthcare issues in general (little doctor face time, waiting extra 30 mins at appt time, etc). My brother in law complains a lot about the VA because of the "bureaucracy", but he will admit that is really isn't that much more than dealing with his step kids private insurance/health matters.
 
What's this 'we' **** Batman? You want cradle to grave gubbamint

I can only assume liberals want excess government as a security blanket for failure and bad decisions. Also it’s not fair “John Doe” to be so successful so we need to take from him and make him more miserable like we are.
 
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What's this 'we' **** Batman? You want cradle to grave gubbamint
Jeopardy.....duh
I can only assume liberals want excess government as a security blanket for failure and bad decisions. Also it’s not fair “John Doe” to be so successful so we need to take from him and make him more miserable like we are.
Your assumptions are horrible. I am in no need of any type of security blanket nor are most liberals. This may come as a shock, but personal greed is not the overriding factor behind everyone's political philosophy. Some of us realize that not everyone has been as fortunate and wish to live in a society that protects and assists those in need. Call us crazy.....oh that's right, you already do.
 
I am very happy to see that libs now care about deficits, my only question is will this continue the next time we have a socialist president?
 
Jeopardy.....duh

Your assumptions are horrible. I am in no need of any type of security blanket nor are most liberals. This may come as a shock, but personal greed is not the overriding factor behind everyone's political philosophy. Some of us realize that not everyone has been as fortunate and wish to live in a society that protects and assists those in need. Call us crazy.....oh that's right, you already do.

Helping someone in need is never an issue. Rewarding failure and bad decision making is. You can get away with bad decisions if you’re born rich but can’t as much if you’re born poor. Key is don’t make bad decisions if you want to better yourself. When you give free stuff FOR LIFE all you’re doing is taking away any incentive to not make bad choices. Do I mind having a system that helps someone get on their feet? No. Do I mind a system that offers life long dependence? Yes.
 
Jeopardy.....duh

Your assumptions are horrible. I am in no need of any type of security blanket nor are most liberals. This may come as a shock, but personal greed is not the overriding factor behind everyone's political philosophy. Some of us realize that not everyone has been as fortunate and wish to live in a society that protects and assists those in need. Call us crazy.....oh that's right, you already do.
bullsqueeze. (not the crazy part, because you are certifiably loony.)
 
I can only assume liberals want excess government as a security blanket for failure and bad decisions. Also it’s not fair “John Doe” to be so successful so we need to take from him and make him more miserable like we are.

Jeopardy.....duh

Your assumptions are horrible. I am in no need of any type of security blanket nor are most liberals. This may come as a shock, but personal greed is not the overriding factor behind everyone's political philosophy. Some of us realize that not everyone has been as fortunate and wish to live in a society that protects and assists those in need. Call us crazy.....oh that's right, you already do.
So, your assumption that gov't is required to help the less fortunate actually makes @C-south correct that you want big government as a security blanket for failure and bad decisions.
 
Agreed, I'm all for cutting defense spending as long as they are smart cuts and not just arbitrary. I'm sure there are weapons systems that can be cut, bases that can be closed and so on and so on.
There's plenty that can be cut across the board from our bloated bureaucracy, but the key word in your statement is "smart." I doubt anyone in Washington is capable or brave enough to make that happen.
 
I can only assume liberals want excess government as a security blanket for failure and bad decisions. Also it’s not fair “John Doe” to be so successful so we need to take from him and make him more miserable like we are.
I think the disconnect is the idea that it's only failure and bad decisions that land folks in hard times. There's a lot of unavoidable misfortune to be blamed as well. That said, I'm for programs that actually help those folks to get back on their feet, when possible, rather than making them dependent on the government.
 

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